[RANT] dead horse ahead...

cratchety ol joe

cratchety ol joe

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OK, so, stupid as I might be, I've not un-installed the damn game yet... I confess that I'm addicted to playing The Sims: Borderlands Edition. albeit I've hated anything even remotely considered 'story writing' in this game, but this took the damn biscuit.

There's a RECAP TLDR near the bottom - Head there unless you want to read my inane ranting.​

It took that biscuit and threw it into Vault City, then Lynette said I had to have a citizens pass to even get close to the biscuit again.

At this point I should probably post 'Warning spoilers' but I think instead: Warning Fallout 4 ahead will suffice.

So, I've been trying to find meaning in the game, I've been dragging my character around side quests to eke life into a never ending merry-go-round of radiant AI 'fetch boy' quests.

I've been *ahem* "role playing" (is that the right word?) a morally 'righteous' character so all my in game choices to this point have all sided with what I guess would align with chaotic lawful.

This means I've actually had to make some real choices at points, shock horror I've found 5 or so mins of passable role-playing experience! :crazy:

However, I've come to a point where I literally just turned the game off and said "that's enough now thanks..." and here comes my rant-

Quest: The Big Dig

1 - Some random ghoul (at least I think it's supposed to be a ghoul, one of the guards in goodneighbor) forced a quest into my pipboy Preston Garvey style, that is to say, I walked to close. I had no choice, no option, no introduction just- *BAM - QUEST*

Fuck you Bethesda.


2 - I go to check out the quest that's now utterly embedded in my pip-boy, eager (as mentioned above) to try out a side quest that wasn't a kidnapping.


3 - The quest giver refuses to give any details of the quest, so I play along, deus-ex non-lingua - a horrid way to get roped into a quest that I didn't actively choose to partake in.


4 - Even after the first 'sequence' of the quest in which I have to shoot some things (fucking shock right there! if only this were an open world game where I could undertake actions that didn't involve my fucking trigger finger!)

Fuck you Bethesda.

As I was saying... even after this sequence I get more dialogue that is utterly and completely non committal to essentially force me into continuing regardless, because I have no grounds on which to make an informed choice of my future actions I go along with things.

Fuck ... You ... Bethesda.


5 - I end up in Diamond Shitty talking with my 4 identical dialogue option quest giver, only to find that I am now deeply involved in actions which are quite clearly illegal.

Dash back tot the top of this post, you might remember I've got my goody-two-shoes hat on the character, so let's see how this played out.

6 - I'm told (with no option of choosing to back out (yay for 4 options which all mean yes!) that I'm to assist in breaking someone from jail, an action that my character certainly would not be involved with.

Chingate Bethesda!


7 - I head to the jail hoping to speak to the guards and alert them to the events unfolding.
-- guards have no option to engage with.

... nice writing there guys. [facepalm]

I speak with the guy in jail he advises of a bust up robot which after reading the terminal has a fault and fires on innocents, I presume the idea being to activate the robot, distract / kill the guards and help the guy escape.

A few things here...
  • no sub-sub quest to fix the robot for the guards? That'd be a good guy outcome! with skill checks involved!
  • no way to back out of mission
  • no way to alert the authorities

So, I shoot the prisoner hoping that his death will fail the mission...

OH LOOK HE'S MARKED AS ESSENTIAL!!!

FUCK YOU BETHESDA


8 - and here's a shocker folks, I stick to my character and think to myself, "well, there's no way to actively prevent this event course, so I'll just play non-responsive and let the quest sit forever unfinished in my pipboy. the prisoner remains in prison, the other person organising the crime won't progress any further in their quest arc and civility will be brought about by my inaction"

I un-mark the quest and leave the jail.


9 - Upon leaving (now remember I have done nothing to even attempt to free the prisoner...)

a notification pops up of a quest marker being met. he's free! oh Huzzah he's fucking free.

I'd swear more at this point, but I think most of you gather what I'm thinking.


RECAP
  • a quest I did nothing to actively become involved in
  • with no way to back out
  • with no option of an alternate end route
  • single immoral event path (see above) no option for moral or amoral outcomes
  • with self-completing mission markers that 'glitch' into existence

I'm fucking screaming inside... This shit has utterly ruined my gaming experience for today and made me angry enough to type words on a website, not quite enough to make a sign, but word typing is pretty damn angry.

And on Christmas day too... after a chill day, I just wanted a blast in the wastelands before I hit the hay, but no, instead I get camel shit thrown at my face and advised that I should enjoy it.


Bethesda.... and the writers especially...

FUCK YOU
 
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Don't worry, you are in the right place.

This is a community, where you can be sure that this horse will never die.
 
Dr Fallout said:
MercenarySnake said:
Dr Fallout said:
MercenarySnake said:
Dr Fallout said:
Shh.... go back to sleep, ignore that nightmare. It's just that... a figment of your imagination...
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Shit, then that's one hell of a nightmare...so..vivid.
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Just sleep, and forget Fallout 4.
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...until they release a DLC that lets you turn into a weremutant.
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Ugh... don't give them ideas.
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I don't have to, they manage to screw up all on their own. Besides I hope they screw up with things like paid mods so their drooling fanboys finally cause a hell of a backlash.
 
I give it some rads to thank you for sharing but what you wrote just make me want to puke.
 
Even if I enjoy Fallout 4, even I agree that's horrible quest design. Even Skyrim let you back out of quests.
 
I began wondering if I'd overlooked something, not seen a dialogue option or missed a key detail... but the more I try to remember this crappy quest arc, the more I realise I hate it.
 
Thanks for the entertaining read, funny thread :)

I feel your pain though, I honestly felt that I was losing one IQ point per hour of playing Fallout 4. Go up one level, go down one IQ point, sounds about right.
 
They've simply lost sight entirely of what an RPG actually IS.

Skyrim and Fallout 4 are linear action games where you walk around until you overhear a random conversation that launches 100 procedurally generated base or dungeon-clearing quests, and a main quest that has you make 1 decision that gives you a different choice of which dumb ending or faction you prefer.
 
kraag said:
Thanks for the entertaining read, funny thread :)

I feel your pain though, I honestly felt that I was losing one IQ point per hour of playing Fallout 4. Go up one level, go down one IQ point, sounds about right.
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Only one?! You must have high resistance to these crappy pieces of shit (not to be confused with POS).
 
Dr Fallout said:
Only one?! You must have high resistance to these crappy pieces of shit (not to be confused with POS).
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I really wanted to like it, as I've liked most other Fallout games - but this had no chance, even before it was released with the announcement of the voiced protagonist I knew it was doomed to fail. As others have said many times, even mods won't save this one - a highly polished turd is still just a turd.
 
kraag said:
Dr Fallout said:
Only one?! You must have high resistance to these crappy pieces of shit (not to be confused with POS).
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I really wanted to like it, as I've liked most other Fallout games - but this had no chance, even before it was released with the announcement of the voiced protagonist I knew it was doomed to fail. As others have said many times, even mods won't save this one - a highly polished turd is still just a turd.
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That is exactly when I knew deep down that Fallout 4 was going to be a huge disappointment - when I saw the voiced protagonist and dialogue wheel during their marketing of the game.
 
Well... I literally just finished the main quest (yay me for playing sims and ignoring my real objectives!)

With this post only days old, I near punched my monitor upon hearing 'Father' say ... "There are tough choices we have to make"
I wonder... when do I have to make those choices? certainly not while I'm in this game.

..and then I was gifted the single most underwhelming ending slideshow ever Horay! :ugly:

I'm done with this game for now. perhaps one day I might pick it up again to try my 'no weapons' thing that I tend to do, but it's just so tedious.

[ed] - not to mention the bullet sponge nature of the higher difficulties, I don't really want to bother punching a Deathclaw to death in this game!
 
I need to finish the main quest myself but I can't bring myself to do it because this game is the epitome of boring in my opinion, how do these fanboys spend hundreds of hours using the same characters(since every new playable character is the same) and no dialogue worth giving a shit in a barren wasteland with a 6 to 1 monster to human ratio? A dead world with no progress and two hut "towns" with one or two people. No matter since I'm giving Underrail a try tonight. :D
 
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