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  1. Quartz

    The Enclave: Evil or Machiavellian?

    It's like before, the enclave has expanded it's population a lot, very fast and in a pretty vertical (dense) way, and they like meat, so a big feeding, breeding and sacrificing infraestructure is set where animals live without freedom or dignity. The ecologist sees this, he tries to convince...
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    The Enclave: Evil or Machiavellian?

    Okay, I don't get it, but I won't contest it. Instead let's get a new scenario. In the future wonderland with skyscrapers that the enclave builds after their victory, lives an ecologist (yeah, here we go again). You see, the members of the enclave are working real hard, so for them there's...
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    The Enclave: Evil or Machiavellian?

    I'm sorry, but you'll have to explain to me how that's not relevant to Fallout. It's the same scenario, some people who consider the current state of the world to be bad, and have the power to wipe out mankind to rebuild a world that they consider good. Also, what would even be the point of...
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    The Enclave: Evil or Machiavellian?

    Wasn't the virus suposed to work only on humanoids? killing all animals onearth seems counter productive. Anyway, that's irrelevant, let's see if we can get this conversation back to the original topic. You say the evils that the Enclave planned to unleash upon the world were justified by the...
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    The Enclave: Evil or Machiavellian?

    There are plenty of people today that think that the world is corrupted, that it should be like it used to be, but that's imposible becouse of the new ideas that infect the world. If some of this people had the hability to press the 'reset button' and wipe out everybody except a minuscule group...
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    The Enclave: Evil or Machiavellian?

    Can you really not see the difference between killing in self defense or hunting dangerous bandits and members of a hostile army with genocidal intentions and killing random people that you know nothing about becouse of some tiny mutations? I'm curious, if I told you that I have a genetic...
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    For how long would pre-war stuff last?

    Yes, one must not forget the RETROfuturistic nature of this world, pre-war americans weren't very concerned with eficiency or cutting corners, things were done to last. In fact some electronics had internal stand alone micro fusion cells capable of powering them for centuries. On their time, an...
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    For how long would pre-war stuff last?

    I've worked on industrial refrigeration, mostly fixing old stuff and other people's fuck-ups. I would expect a fridge to succesfully protect me at ground 0 before than to hold working pressure for a couple lifetimes. That said, I see we reach similar conclusions. When a cylinder is found, I...
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    The Enclave: Evil or Machiavellian?

    If we can't call evil a small group of people that want to commit worldwide genocide despite having no idea how most of these people will be doing at all we might as well get rid of this word. If subjectively thinking that what you will do will end up in a net gain for humanity on the long run...
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    For how long would pre-war stuff last?

    Yeah, I'm taking into acount the stuff that has been kept by the survivors since the war, so there's plenty of guns for example. And yes, Forgotten Weapons has proven an invaluable resource to obtain inspiration and shake things up a bit in the guns department. Craftsmen are common on any semi...
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    For how long would pre-war stuff last?

    Hello, new here so correct me if I'm doing something wrong. I'm running a PnP campaign set on the fallout world, on 2253. Since my campaign is really open ended and the players have total freedom, economics play a big role. I figured out the prices for labour, transportation fuel and life costs...
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