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ok, i hacked together a quick VB app ... so far, i can read (from binary): - header - all defined materials - all defined textures - all defined bones - all defined nodes, including their vertices. i still have a few bytes that i'm not sure of their meaning. i'm also still trying...

ok, had a quick look, a few things: - the binary structure seems to follow the text version. + small header + material record(s) + texture record(s) + bone record(s) + nodes, including the vertex data and triangle definition - strings in the binary file seem to use the PASCAL...

this might indeed proof lucky ... i should be able to dig into the binary formt using the text version ... i'll report back ... 8) Andy