A few fallout series questions

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1) Where was the enclave from? had they been there for that long? What vault were the vault people wandering around from? Where was the president and the soldiers from?

2)Where did that disk you got about economic data go (The one you get in gecko, not optimization).

3) Was anyone else annoyed with the way vault city stagnates even after taking over Gecko?

4) Does anyone make weapons and armor anymore? Or is everything scavenged?

5) Why aren't vaults equipped with combat gear?

That is all.
 
I don't know much about FO2, I haven't played it, but here something about number 5:

Apparently, the Vault planners thought that there would be no Raiders of much consequence, no mutants like the Super-Mutants, nothing to really stop people from just leaving the Vault at the appropriate time and using their G.E.C.K. kit.
Otherwise they would have included some combat armor, combat shotguns, 14mm Pistols, maybe assault rifles and other guns, and of course files in the computers to teach people to use these weapons. Perhaps even some reloading and gunpowder manufacturing equipment might be included (it actually isn't that hard to make powder and brass).

4) Well, today with basic hand tools, parts obtained from your home or stores like Home Depot, plans, and a little bit of time, a person could make a fully automatic submachine gun from said elements that is just as functional as an Uzi or an MP5 but not as pretty. In FOT, the Zip Gun represents an impressive effort for someone working with no plans, few tools, etc.
 
>1) Where was the enclave from?
>had they been there for
>that long? What vault were
>the vault people wandering around
>from? Where was the president
>and the soldiers from?

The Enclave is what remained from the old US governement. They have been around all the time as they where the ones who built the vaults. They used the vaults as part of an experiment to see how the people would survive under dificult circumstances. The vault people on the Enclave are not from a vault as such. They probably lived on the oil derrick all there lives but the vault jump suit is something of a uniform and seeing as the vaults where originally built by the Enclave they probably gave the suits to the vaults as a sort of identifying thingy.

>2)Where did that disk you got
>about economic data go (The
>one you get in gecko,
>not optimization).

McClure would have used it to try to convince the council to open negotiations between VC and Gecko for a peacebly sollution but he failed. That is what i think anyway.

>3) Was anyone else annoyed with
>the way vault city stagnates
>even after taking over Gecko?

Not that much.

>
>4) Does anyone make weapons and
>armor anymore? Or is everything
>scavenged?

Some people make stuff. They are pretty much all over the game. Valerie, Vic's daughter in VC. Skeeter in Gecko. Algernon in New Reno, the BOS, the Enclave, the Shi. You could argue that every major city would have their own "manufacturing" place.

>5) Why aren't vaults equipped with
>combat gear?

Hmm, probalby because they where an experiment. They where built in such a way that some had only men in them. Others had bad equipment, etc. It is plausible that some had combat gear in them. But the people living in them would have taken the gear out when they left the vault. Some others might have been scavenged before you arive and would therefor not have much useful gear in them anymore. Some might not have any combat gear in them as a result of the above said experiment. Some might have een hidden so well that they actually never needed that gear.


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>>1) Where was the enclave from?
>>had they been there for
>>that long? What vault were
>>the vault people wandering around
>>from? Where was the president
>>and the soldiers from?
>
>The Enclave is what remained from
>the old US governement. They
>have been around all the
>time as they where the
>ones who built the vaults.
>They used the vaults as
>part of an experiment to
>see how the people would
>survive under dificult circumstances. The
>vault people on the Enclave
>are not from a vault
>as such. They probably lived
>on the oil derrick all
>there lives but the vault
>jump suit is something of
>a uniform and seeing as
>the vaults where originally built
>by the Enclave they probably
>gave the suits to the
>vaults as a sort of
>identifying thingy.
The President at the Enclave oil derrick told you about the Vaults as Experiments.
But I do not think that this is what the makers of the original Fallout think. So I ignore the President's words or see them as lies (nobody invest Billions of $ in experiments with no use). Fallout 2 is still a good RPG, but the story is bullshit...

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Yeah....

That was a really pathetic part of the story.

//It is berry skarry faiting tha snake.
 
The Vaults did have combat gear. They have a number of 10mm pistols and shotguns. Also, you can get a holodisc (in FO1) that mentions the vaults were stocked with weapons for 10 men to defend the vault if needed.
 
Yeah, FO2's story really sucks, and messed up the Fallout universe, IMHO. However, in FO3, if there is one (oh god I hope there is one), I believe it could be explained as this: the Enclave was not REALLY the remnants of the old government, they either just thought they were, or knew they weren't but were lying about it. They discovered information about the vaults, and made that whole elaborate scheme & story. Or something like that. Besides, the government wouldn't be at the oil rig, since it was the center of controversy (since it was the last oil reserve known of in the world) and would of had been the first target for takeover by the US's enemies (which was pretty much everyone at that time, minus annexed Canada, which technically was part of the US anyway at that point). The old government would have been at Washington, D.C., or at NORAD (Cheyenne Mountain Base, near Colorado Springs, Colorado) if they had time to evac once the nukes started to fly. If today there were a nuclear war, the president would be immeadiately evac'd to NORAD, since it is under a mountain and therefore much safer than pretty much anything else. Of course, if FOT is to be considered canon, NORAD was turned into Vault 0, though it still would have been the place where the president would have been brought since it was the head of the Vault Network. Unless the president couldn't evac to there in time, then he probably would have tried to get to the Washington, D.C. vault (assuming there is one, which there probably is). Oh, and when I have said president these last few sentences, I meant the president, his cabinet, the joint chiefs, congress, the supreme court, etc. - basically the leaders of the government.
This all brings up an interesting point: FOT contradicts FO2. If the Vaults were an Enclave experiment, then there wouldn't be a head vault to coordinate the Vault Network. Unless, like I said earlier, the Enclave was just a group of delusional fools.
As loathe as I am to admit is, FOT seems to make much more practical sense than FO2, and I believe it would make a better "actual truth." Well, minus the crap about the calculator, that was really stretchin' it. I mean, if the vaults were gonna try to kill everything, then why was Vault 0 the only one with robots and weapons?
In the perfect Fallout universe (at least in my mind), the Enclave was not really the old government, and Vault 0 does exist as head of the Vault Network, but the rest of the FOT stuff isn't canon. Maybe we can go to the real canon Vault 0 in FO3...




Sorry for ranting and going in circles there. I really should plan these things out *before* I start ;-)
 
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