Consumer response to the banning of Manhunt 2.

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Pariah

First time out of the vault
Guess what guys, it's a petition! Yay!

http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/manhunt2

Okay, we all know that it won't do any good, but please keep in mind that people do take note of these petitions. This is especially so for the developers. Even if we're 99% sure that this petition will not change anyone's mind, there's still principles at stake here. Not only have entire nations banned the game, but elements within the US have taken steps to make sure it is effectively banned here even if not officially so. Because this has removed our choice as consumers, and pretty much allowed the ESRB to decide the fate of someone else's art and free speech, we're stuck with both the retailers AND Sony/Nintendo treating the entirety of the gaming community like they're children who have no idea what's good for them. When they assume that their consumer-base consists of one ratio that matters and another that doesn't, they're proving that they don't understand their consumers, and they need to be informed of their mistake.

Please keep in mind that this is not simply about the Manhunt franchise. It's about consumer treatment.
 
Communists think that they own people. That they can dictate what they can read, write, listen to, watch and play.
They hate computer games that teach people to think and to differentiate fiction from reality - making mind-control more difficult. They need to achieve a total control of everything that we do, say and finally what we think. They need us to read their books and believe what they write.
 
Sorrow said:
Communists think that they own people. That they can dictate what they can read, write, listen to, watch and play.
They hate computer games that teach people to think and to differentiate fiction from reality - making mind-control more difficult. They need to achieve a total control of everything that we do, say and finally what we think. They need us to read their books and believe what they write.
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That's so not communism, but I can see where you are going with it.. :look:
 
DarkLegacy said:
What's wrong with communism? The actual system works, it's just the mentality of the people within it that's broken. :D
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If the system can't co-exist with the dynamic nature of the people, then it proves itself a rather shitty system.

Capitalism, on the other hand, is able to work while abiding a lazy, or even corrupt, ratio of citizens. It even has the ability to purge such groups and force them to work (albeit it takes direct insistance; mass consumerism does have its uses).


Anyway, on principle, whether or not you like the game shouldn't affect the idea that its status as free speech should allow it the ability to exist in our society.
 
Sorrow said:
Communists think that they own people. That they can dictate what they can read, write, listen to, watch and play.
They hate computer games that teach people to think and to differentiate fiction from reality - making mind-control more difficult. They need to achieve a total control of everything that we do, say and finally what we think. They need us to read their books and believe what they write.
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Welcome to China. :lol:

As for Manhunt.., well, the games are available in China. If you can find it, that is. Censorship is moot in China because Chinese people has been learning to circumvent the government for a long time.

Banning sexual themes and violence has more to do with religion and politics surrounding it than any "harm" to "children". It's like the sex debate in Japan, well, it doesn't exist.
 
Starseeker said:
Banning sexual themes and violence has more to do with religion and politics surrounding it than any "harm" to "children".
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Exactly the communists always want to push their religion on everyone else.
 
I would hardly call the UK a communist society, would you.

However, communism and fascism has one thing in common:
They both want to control what adults can read, see, or play as in what games adults should play as only games that are supposed to be good for i.e. not Manhunt 2 will be allowed or tolerated.

The thing is that almost everyone can agree that violence etc, is wrong for children to be exposed to whether it be in a game, in a movie etc. And the psych kind of violence in Mahunt 2 with its bleak atmosphere etc. are even worse :!:

However, this misses the point: The game is rated 18+ in Europe (by the pegi boards) and AO(=18+) by the ESRB. The game IS not for minors and never has been marketed towards minors by Rockstar Games. Thus, adults should by allowed to buy it, and to play if, if they so choose.
 
I voted. Even if the game is stupid, it sets a bad precedent that fundies, excreta (senators, et alia), high-brow assholes get to decide which games are allowed and which aren't. Taste, some might say. Who is to say what is taste, why persist in defending such an indefensible position. Why do you try to pass your beliefs as "good", "right", "in good taste".
 
Sorrow said:
Starseeker said:
Banning sexual themes and violence has more to do with religion and politics surrounding it than any "harm" to "children".
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Exactly the communists always want to push their religion on everyone else.
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McCarthy? IS THAT YOU?!
 
However, communism and fascism has one thing in common:
They both want to control what adults can read, see, or play as in what games adults should play as only games that are supposed to be good for i.e. not Manhunt 2 will be allowed or tolerated.
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Have you read The Capital?. Communism is an utopic system which has been never applied, only in some ages with Lenin in URSS and Castro. in Cuba, but finally communism in those countries was changed by dictatorship.

Here is some info about communism.

http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism

There is many tendences, but the basic principles of communism, does not talk about censorship and those things. Communism is not the same as fascism, communism is contrary to capitalism,
 
Communism is an overly idealic system which could never, ever, be successfully implemented among large numbers of people.
 
Yawn.

Jeez, people, will you stop confusing authoritarianism with communism?

Also, as said before. Manhunt sucked. I could care less.
 
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