Freezes on main menu

Black Angel

Black Angel

Grand Inquisitor of the Ordo Hereticus
I need some help with my modded game. The main menu is loaded, or at least it tried to load, and then it just freeze. It happens right after I installed Viva New Vegas's Gameplay module, whereas before it was just fine and loaded normally. Even played through it and it was fine, too. Here's my load order:

# This file was automatically generated by Mod Organizer.
FalloutNV.esm
DeadMoney.esm
HonestHearts.esm
OldWorldBlues.esm
LonesomeRoad.esm
GunRunnersArsenal.esm
ClassicPack.esm
TribalPack.esm
MercenaryPack.esm
CaravanPack.esm
Navmesh Fixes and Improvements.esm
YUP - Base Game + All DLC.esm
Landscape_Seam_Fix.esm
Uncut Road to Legate's Camp.esm
Ambient Temperature.esm
JIP Selective-Fire.esm
oHUD.esm
BraveNewWorld.esm
New Vegas Redesigned II.esm
PHWHPAPVisuals.esm
Cyberware.esm
YUP - NPC Fixes (Base Game + All DLC).esp
Unofficial Patch Plus.esp
Unofficial Patch Plus - Addendum.esp
WMIMNV.esp
WMIM Addendum.esp
Armor Replacer Child NPC Fix.esp
FIXforLegionArmors.esp
The Mod Configuration Menu.esp
JIP Improved Recipe Menu.esp
FPSWeaponWheel.esp
JIP Realistic Weapon Overheating.esp
KeyBoy Hotkeys.esp
The Weapon Mod Menu.esp
FlashlightNVSE.esp
Character Creation Streamlined.esp
Simple DLC Delay.esp
Vanilla UI Plus.esp
CPI Icons.esp
Enslave Gannon fix.esp
Melee Reach Revised.esp
Psycho and Slasher Bonus Damage Fix.esp
DisableMuzzleFlashLights.esp
Motion Sickness Reduction Mod.esp
Tutorial Killer.esp
NoTrapsPopup.esp
FOVSlider.esp
Game Tweaks..esp
Core - YUP - WMIM Patch.esp
Vurt's WFO.esp
EnhancedGrass_NoVL.esp
A Wasteland in Bloom.esp
STDG.esp
Book of Steel.esp
Weapon Retexture Project.esp
YUP - WRP Patch.esp
dD - Enhanced Blood Main NV.esp
Little More Lamplight.esp
Burning Campfire.esp
BC2.esp
Bathroom Doors Fix.esp
CIB Bighorners - HH.esp
CIB Bighorners.esp
Alsatian NCR Guard Dogs.esp
NVAnimatedTerninalScreenSaver.esp
OWB-Path Lights.esp
JSawyer Ultimate.esp
JSUE Addendum.esp
Economy Overhaul.esp
Economy Overhaul Addendum.esp
Mojave Arsenal.esp
Mojave Wildlife (Vanilla-Style + No Chanced).esp
Mojave Raiders.esp
Mojave Raiders Addendum.esp
JSawyer Ultimate - Mojave Arsenal Patch.esp
JSawyer Ultimate - Mojave Raiders Patch.esp
Follower Tweaks.esp
Changed Vendor Flags.esp
BLEEDNV.esp
BLEED Addendum.esp
Unfound Loot.esp
NPCsSprint.esp
Real Recoil.esp
Yukichigai Gameplay Tweaks.esp
JIP Companions Command & Control.esp
VNV Follower Tweaks.esp
Quickthrow.esp
JustModsAssorted.esp
Qolore Gameplay Tweaks.esp
GRA Scavenger Hunt Unbalanced.esp
BetterNCRSupplyCache.esp
Honest Hearts Workbench Crate Luck.esp
Toxic Cloud Fix.esp
SGO - CCS Compatible.esp
VWBarterRepairCosts.esp
VWPerceptionRangedAccuracy.esp
Stat Choices.esp
NPC Use Aid.esp
Helmet Overlay.esp
Enhanced Vision.esp
Immersive Minigames.esp
Immersive Primary Needs.esp
Universal Item Sorter.esp
Cyberware OWB.esp
Cyberware-Quickthrow Patch.esp
Gameplay - JSUE - WRP Patch.esp
Gameplay - JSUE - YGT Patch.esp
Gameplay - WMIM - JSUE Patch.esp
Gameplay - YUP - BLEED Patch.esp
FNVLODGen.esp
tmzLODadditions.esp
outsidebets.esp
Uncut Extra Collection.esp
CutMerged.esp
No more giant manhole covers.esp
Laurens_Bathroom_poetry.esp
BraveNewWorld-ArmorReplacerChildNPCFix.esp
BraveNewWorld-YUP.esp
BraveNewWorld-OutsideBets.esp
BraveNewWorld-UncutExtraCollection.esp
NVR- Lore version.esp
Voice dissonance fix.esp
RaestlozFactionArmorEnhancement.esp
All Weapon Sounds Overhaul .esp
Explosive Sounds Overhaul.esp
Combat Music.esp
ImmersivePickupSoundsFNV.esp
Clarity - Dark Nights.esp
Bashed Patch, 0.esp

Something to note:
  1. I replaced VNV's Character Expansion Revised mods with a combination of Brave New World + New Vegas Redesigned 2 (since the author successfully made them compatible), and it worked just fine before installing the Gameplay module
  2. While VNV didn't actually put most of them in the Gameplay module, I installed the recommended mods to replace Project Nevada as listed in 'Gameplay Mods to Avoid' in the guide
  3. Also, I'm using Mod Organizer 1 for this. I know I shouldn't, but at this point it's too late for me to make the switch now, because the amount of time and effort I imagined needed to install MO2 from scratch, even with the Viva New Vegas guide, is already putting a weight on my mental condition. So I'd like to at least play a playthrough or two with this one before making the switch as fast as of 2021.
  4. With that, I'll also note that because I'm using Fear&Loathing in New Vegas guide (which used MO1), before trying to plug in Viva New Vegas's mods in there (while also replacing the outdated and obsolete F&LNV mods), I got cut content mods installed BEFORE the UI mods.
  5. I also had body replacer mods, such as Type 3, Roberts and the individual mods for the DLCs. I had them disabled now, but still the game freeze on main menu.
  6. Despite the last two points, the game worked JUST FINE *BEFORE* installing the Gameplay module. So, in the meanwhile, I'll now commence trying to activate-deactivate each and every one of the Gameplay mods and see which one freezes the main menu.
 
Turns out the Helmet Overlay mod is the cause of the main menu freeze. I'm not sure why and I didn't get anything from reading the mod page, and I haven't taken a look at the .esp through xEdit, too. Still, I can live without it just fine. I re-activated the rest of Project Nevada alternatives, but the main menu loads comparably slower than before installing the Gameplay Module.

Anyway, I'm actually finished modding the game as per VNV guide, but as per F&L I need to do the thing where I have to generate bash tags for each and every plugins. But it's an obvious pain in the ass, so I tried playing around and when I entered the Goodsprings Saloon to try Sunny Smiles's tutorial, the game just freeze on the loading screen :lol:
# This file was automatically generated by Mod Organizer.
FalloutNV.esm
DeadMoney.esm
HonestHearts.esm
OldWorldBlues.esm
LonesomeRoad.esm
GunRunnersArsenal.esm
ClassicPack.esm
MercenaryPack.esm
TribalPack.esm
CaravanPack.esm
Navmesh Fixes and Improvements.esm
YUP - Base Game + All DLC.esm
TheHUDEditor.esm
Landscape_Seam_Fix.esm
Uncut Road to Legate's Camp.esm
Ambient Temperature.esm
JIP Selective-Fire.esm
BraveNewWorld.esm
New Vegas Redesigned II.esm
TLD_Travelers.esm
Freeside Redone.esm
Lightweight Strip Overhaul.esm
PHWHPAPVisuals.esm
Cyberware.esm
YUP - NPC Fixes (Base Game + All DLC).esp
Unofficial Patch Plus.esp
Unofficial Patch Plus - Addendum.esp
WMIMNV.esp
WMIM Addendum.esp
Armor Replacer Child NPC Fix.esp
FIXforLegionArmors.esp
The Mod Configuration Menu.esp
JIP Improved Recipe Menu.esp
JIP Realistic Weapon Overheating.esp
KeyBoy Hotkeys.esp
The Weapon Mod Menu.esp
FlashlightNVSE.esp
Simple DLC Delay.esp
Vanilla UI Plus.esp
CPI Icons.esp
Enslave Gannon fix.esp
Melee Reach Revised.esp
Psycho and Slasher Bonus Damage Fix.esp
DisableMuzzleFlashLights.esp
No more giant manhole covers.esp
Motion Sickness Reduction Mod.esp
Tutorial Killer.esp
NoTrapsPopup.esp
FOVSlider.esp
Game Tweaks..esp
Core - YUP - WMIM Patch.esp
Vurt's WFO.esp
EnhancedGrass_NoVL.esp
A Wasteland in Bloom.esp
STDG.esp
Book of Steel.esp
Distributed Necklaces and Chains.esp
EMR-StealthSuitMkII.esp
Holster.esp
Pip-Boy Light - Vanilla.esp
Weapon Retexture Project.esp
YUP - WRP Patch.esp
WTH AMR Fix.esp
dD - Enhanced Blood Main NV.esp
B42Inertia.esp
B42 Weapon Inertia - Config INI.esp
Little More Lamplight.esp
Burning Campfire.esp
Better Burned Man.esp
BC2.esp
Bathroom Doors Fix.esp
CIB Bighorners - HH.esp
CIB Bighorners.esp
Alsatian NCR Guard Dogs.esp
NVAnimatedTerninalScreenSaver.esp
OWB-Path Lights.esp
JSawyer Ultimate.esp
JSUE Addendum.esp
Economy Overhaul.esp
Economy Overhaul Addendum.esp
Mojave Arsenal.esp
Mojave Wildlife (Vanilla-Style + No Chanced).esp
Mojave Raiders.esp
Mojave Raiders Addendum.esp
JSawyer Ultimate - Mojave Arsenal Patch.esp
JSawyer Ultimate - Mojave Raiders Patch.esp
YUP_MojaveArsenal.esp
JSUE_BookOfSteel.esp
Follower Tweaks.esp
Changed Vendor Flags.esp
BLEEDNV.esp
BLEED Addendum.esp
Unfound Loot.esp
NPCsSprint.esp
Real Recoil.esp
Yukichigai Gameplay Tweaks.esp
RaestlozFactionArmorEnhancement.esp
JIP Companions Command & Control.esp
VNV Follower Tweaks.esp
Quickthrow.esp
JustModsAssorted.esp
Enhanced Vision.esp
Simple Explosive Entry.esp
Immersive Minigames.esp
Immersive Primary Needs.esp
Universal Item Sorter.esp
Cyberware OWB.esp
Cyberware-Quickthrow Patch.esp
Qolore Gameplay Tweaks.esp
GRA Scavenger Hunt Unbalanced.esp
BetterNCRSupplyCache.esp
Honest Hearts Workbench Crate Luck.esp
Toxic Cloud Fix.esp
Character Creation Streamlined.esp
SGO - CCS Compatible.esp
VWBarterRepairCosts.esp
VWPerceptionRangedAccuracy.esp
Stat Choices.esp
NPC Use Aid.esp
Gameplay - JSUE - WRP Patch.esp
Gameplay - JSUE - YGT Patch.esp
Gameplay - WMIM - JSUE Patch.esp
Gameplay - YUP - BLEED Patch.esp
Laurens_Bathroom_poetry.esp
outsidebets.esp
outsidebets_meyersfix.esp
Uncut Wasteland.esp
Uncut Extra Collection.esp
CutMerged.esp
TMCOTT - Restored.esp
Mojave Raiders - TLD Patch.esp
BraveNewWorld-ArmorReplacerChildNPCFix.esp
BraveNewWorld-YUP.esp
BraveNewWorld-OutsideBets.esp
BraveNewWorld-UncutExtraCollection.esp
BraveNewWorld-JSU.esp
BraveNewWorld-MojaveRaiders.esp
NVR- Lore version.esp
Voice dissonance fix.esp
Lightweight Strip Overhaul - Uncut Wasteland Patch.esp
Lucky38Overhaul.esp
Lore Friendly Armor Pack.esp
FNVOppositeTraits.esp
Improved Traits.esp
Improved Traits Improved.esp
Baddarkl Perk Overhaul.esp
All Weapon Sounds Overhaul .esp
Explosive Sounds Overhaul.esp
Combat Music.esp
Beyond The Beef Tweaks.esp
The Law Won.esp
vault22FloralOverhaul.esp
CloudGrenades.esp
Toasterizer.esp
Burden to Bear Armor.esp
ImmersivePickupSoundsFNV.esp
Content - JSUE - Improved Traits Patch.esp
Content - JSUE - Lore Friendly Armor Pack Patch.esp
Content - JSUE - Opposite Traits Patch.esp
Content - JSUE - Perk Overhaul Patch.esp
Content - JSUE - Uncut Wasteland Patch.esp
Content - Mojave Raiders - Uncut Wasteland Patch.esp
Content - WFO - TLD Patch.esp
Content - YUP - Perk Overhaul Patch.esp
Content - YUP - TMCOTT Restored Patch.esp
FNVLODGen.esp
tmzLODadditions.esp
Clarity - Dark Nights.esp
Bashed Patch, 0.esp
So now I have some options:
  1. Merge plugins, especially the VNV's Module Resolution plugins to reduce plugin count
  2. Maybe follow F&L finishing guide, start generating bash tags to each and every plugin, then create a bashed patch
  3. Just nuke the whole thing and start from scratch with VNV and MO2's proper
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  4. Or be a true glittering gem of hatred and uninstall New Vegas
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I remembered that I haven't followed the INI tweaks of Viva New Vegas, which is different from Fear&Loathing's, so I did just that. Still the game freezes upon entering the loading screen to Goodsprings Saloon. Hell, I even found that the game would also freeze when entering Doc Mitchell's house. I finally resorted to manually creating merged patch by way of FNVEdit (creating an empty, merged patch plugin, upon which I 'Deep Copy Override into' with the records I wanted to merge patch), and created a merged patch for VNV's Gameplay and Content Conflict Resolution patches, and also another one for Brave New World patches. It helped, kinda, since I could finally enter Doc Mitchell's house normally, and also finally able to enter Goodsprings Saloon. And yet the game stuttered very, VERY badly despite playing on my brother's brand new PC, and I also encountered black objects in the saloon. Even worse, when exiting the saloon to start Sunny Smiles tutorial, the game would stutter even worse than before, whereas entering and exiting the General Store worked just fine.

Who knows why, maybe I did the merge patch wrong, or perhaps even with Mod Limit Fix the PC's doomed to be unable to play beyond 135 plugin count. And so, that's it, folks. I'm now at my wit's end, and I think the only way to fix this is to nuke the entire thing, re-install New Vegas from scratch, then proceed to mod using Viva New Vegas's proper. May those who read this learned a lesson from my foul endeavor :drunk:
 
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