NDAA

Moe Canibo

It Wandered In From the Wastes
For once, i'm more then glad to be living in a post communist eastern european banana republic. Seriously, fuck Amerukah.

President Obama signed the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) into law today. The statute contains a sweeping worldwide indefinite detention provision. While President Obama issued a signing statement saying he had “serious reservations” about the provisions, the statement only applies to how his administration would use the authorities granted by the NDAA, and would not affect how the law is interpreted by subsequent administrations. The White House had threatened to veto an earlier version of the NDAA, but reversed course shortly before Congress voted on the final bill.

“President Obama's action today is a blight on his legacy because he will forever be known as the president who signed indefinite detention without charge or trial into law,” said Anthony D. Romero, ACLU executive director. “The statute is particularly dangerous because it has no temporal or geographic limitations, and can be used by this and future presidents to militarily detain people captured far from any battlefield. The ACLU will fight worldwide detention authority wherever we can, be it in court, in Congress, or internationally.”

Under the Bush administration, similar claims of worldwide detention authority were used to hold even a U.S. citizen detained on U.S. soil in military custody, and many in Congress now assert that the NDAA should be used in the same way again. The ACLU believes that any military detention of American citizens or others within the United States is unconstitutional and illegal, including under the NDAA. In addition, the breadth of the NDAA’s detention authority violates international law because it is not limited to people captured in the context of an actual armed conflict as required by the laws of war.

“We are incredibly disappointed that President Obama signed this new law even though his administration had already claimed overly broad detention authority in court,” said Romero. “Any hope that the Obama administration would roll back the constitutional excesses of George Bush in the war on terror was extinguished today. Thankfully, we have three branches of government, and the final word belongs to the Supreme Court, which has yet to rule on the scope of detention authority. But Congress and the president also have a role to play in cleaning up the mess they have created because no American citizen or anyone else should live in fear of this or any future president misusing the NDAA’s detention authority.”
 
No one should be surprised at this. The primary goal of Obama's presidency has been to expand and entrench the power of executive government at the expense of everything else. This is right in line with that goal. Anyone who voted for Obama thinking he would roll pack the Patriot Act is a sucker.

If you don't like it, you'd better hope Ron Paul wins, even being 76 with all his goofy fanatic followers. He's the only potential president who might reverse this kind of thing instead of expanding it. Romney, Santorum, or Gingrich certainly won't reverse it.
 
I really want to move to India right now. his is making me very nervous


TO bad they're hospitals are overstaffed so I wouldn't get a job there
 
The sad thing is many Americans are oblivious to this. I have being running around pissed off, but most aren't aware of the NDAA or what it means for us. A fucking travesty if you ask me. Now I really do have to watch what I say....
 
TorontRayne said:
The sad thing is many Americans are oblivious to this. I have being running around pissed off, but most aren't aware of the NDAA or what it means for us. A fucking travesty if you ask me. Now I really do have to watch what I say....
We have to gamble that the courts will crush it. Roll some dice.

Then we have to gamble that a court ruling will stop the executive branch from doing what it pleases.
 
UniversalWolf said:
TorontRayne said:
The sad thing is many Americans are oblivious to this. I have being running around pissed off, but most aren't aware of the NDAA or what it means for us. A fucking travesty if you ask me. Now I really do have to watch what I say....
We have to gamble that the courts will crush it. Roll some dice.

That is the thing though. The politicians know this is bullshit, but everyone continues to let it happen. Obama said he had reservations about it, but it would be dangerous not to sign! :shock:
 
TorontRayne said:
That is the thing though. The politicians know this is bullshit, but everyone continues to let it happen. Obama said he had reservations about it, but it would be dangerous not to sign! :shock:
It's the classic politicians' MO: declare a "crisis" in order to gin up support for something that would normally be unsupportable.
 
UniversalWolf said:
TorontRayne said:
That is the thing though. The politicians know this is bullshit, but everyone continues to let it happen. Obama said he had reservations about it, but it would be dangerous not to sign! :shock:
It's the classic politicians' MO: declare a "crisis" in order to gin up support for something that would normally be unsupportable.

I know that. You know that. Why the fuck don't more people know that? I am sick of people worrying more about Twilight than the fucking state of the world. The world is literally falling apart and people are just ready to die. I think that's why so many people are so focused on 2012 and the end of the world- deep down people just want the shit to end.
 
People (both in real life and on here) don't know this until now, but I keep good track of current news and am deeply opinionated.

It scares me that stuff like this would not only be approved of by government officials, but totally ignored by the populace who is supposed to be effected by it.

I just wish I knew whether the decision makers do things like this, because 1. they don't realize it's unconstitutional and also believe it's for the best (which would be ignorant) or 2. they have other motives.

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The Vault Dweller
 
The Vault Dweller said:
People (both in real life and on here) don't know this until now, but I keep good track of current news and am deeply opinionated.

It scares me that stuff like this would not only be approved of by government officials, but totally ignored by the populace who is supposed to be effected by it.

I just wish I knew whether the decision makers do things like this, because 1. they don't realize it's unconstitutional and also believe it's for the best (which would be ignorant) or 2. they have other motives.

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The Vault Dweller

I saw it pop up in the news awhile back, but assumed that at least a few politicians would stop it. Guess I had more faith in them than they deserved.
 
It reminds me of a medieval Spanish Inquisition. Just mark someone as a heretic, grab him, torture him and burn him; nobody will care about it.
Very dangerous tool.
 
At least when my goverment want's someone out of the way they secretly employ human traffic mafia, they don't make it openly legal by making a law out of it. That's just rude.
 
Moe Canibo said:
.. they secretly employ human traffic mafia
Sadly, that's true. There was similar cause back in 1995 here in Slovakia, when a president's son was kidnapped by SIS (Slovakian Information Agency; a state secret service). We were led by a bunch of ruthless fucks in that turbulent post-communist times, I'm hoping it will never happen again.
 
questionable laws. Not the first time.

probably most here are to young to remember the time of McCarthyism.
 
valcik said:
It reminds me of a medieval Spanish Inquisition. Just mark someone as a heretic, grab him, torture him and burn him; nobody will care about it.
Very dangerous tool.

Americans have been doing that since 2001. Ok maybe before then as well but that's when all this specific fear stuff started.
 
Yes, I have read about an Abu Ghraib camp before, for example. Also, three of the formerly released prisoners from Guantanamo were sent here to Slovakia, after releasing. One of them was imprisoned from October, 2001.
 
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