Where was the Brotherhood from?
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You're not mixing anything.
They've come from Mariposa, that's where you get the Captain Maxson's Diary from, remember? There's a mix-up since they wanted to explore The Glow, so it might have given you the false lead that it was their "Ancient Odrer", but it wasn't. It was the place where the Power Armour Tb-51 had been developed.
They've come from Mariposa, that's where you get the Captain Maxson's Diary from, remember? There's a mix-up since they wanted to explore The Glow, so it might have given you the false lead that it was their "Ancient Odrer", but it wasn't. It was the place where the Power Armour Tb-51 had been developed.
PsychoSniper
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
Ya, Silencer's right.
euhm
only partially right i'm afraid...
*SPOILERS DO NOT READ IF YOU DONT KNOW THE STORY*
2073: Pan-Immunity Virion Project was being developed together with a bunch of other projects at the base that would later become the Glow (what was the name again? West Tech? dont remember the exact name).
2076: Pan-Immunity Virion Project is branched into two different projects after the military took interest in its side effects. This side effect would become the Forced Evolutionary Virus Project. The other project remained on track to try and find a cure for the Plague.
2077: the scientists were moved by order of the governement (because of a possible on the base which would later become The Glow) to the newly built Mariposa base (aka "the military base"). special military forces are dispatched to protect the base (forces that would later assasinate most of the scientist after finding out about testing on "volunteers". these forces will later become the Brotherhood after moving to the Lost Hills bunker, which is the BoS main base).
PS: i'll dig up the entire history if you really want
only partially right i'm afraid...
*SPOILERS DO NOT READ IF YOU DONT KNOW THE STORY*
2073: Pan-Immunity Virion Project was being developed together with a bunch of other projects at the base that would later become the Glow (what was the name again? West Tech? dont remember the exact name).
2076: Pan-Immunity Virion Project is branched into two different projects after the military took interest in its side effects. This side effect would become the Forced Evolutionary Virus Project. The other project remained on track to try and find a cure for the Plague.
2077: the scientists were moved by order of the governement (because of a possible on the base which would later become The Glow) to the newly built Mariposa base (aka "the military base"). special military forces are dispatched to protect the base (forces that would later assasinate most of the scientist after finding out about testing on "volunteers". these forces will later become the Brotherhood after moving to the Lost Hills bunker, which is the BoS main base).
PS: i'll dig up the entire history if you really want
The Vault Dweller
always looking for water.
I always wondered exactly how the brotherhood came to be. I knew it had to do with the Glow to the Military Base to their current place, but my info was always spotty.
Thanks.
Sincerely,
The Vault Dweller
Thanks.
Sincerely,
The Vault Dweller
docholyday
First time out of the vault
i can fill in some of the rest, courtesy of the FOB:
2078-2088:The military base survives, the soldiers and scientists within protected from the radiation and FEV flooding the wasteland.
2082:Scientists in Base Omega select a new goal and begin to try and make the perfect survivor. They attempt to tailor the FEV, creating FEV-2. They become increasingly secretive, isolating themselves from the soldiers.
2088:When it is discovered that the scientists in Base Omega are testing the new strains of FEV on the soldiers, the soldiers rebel. Under the leadership of General Roger Maxon, they wipe out the scientists, but in the resulting firefight, one of the FeV canisters is ruptured. Fearing contamination, the soldiers seal the base, then head out into the desert, taking supplies and weapon schematics with them. This event was called the "Exodus," and the surviving soldiers went on to eventually form the Brotherhood of Steel.
There ya' have it
2078-2088:The military base survives, the soldiers and scientists within protected from the radiation and FEV flooding the wasteland.
2082:Scientists in Base Omega select a new goal and begin to try and make the perfect survivor. They attempt to tailor the FEV, creating FEV-2. They become increasingly secretive, isolating themselves from the soldiers.
2088:When it is discovered that the scientists in Base Omega are testing the new strains of FEV on the soldiers, the soldiers rebel. Under the leadership of General Roger Maxon, they wipe out the scientists, but in the resulting firefight, one of the FeV canisters is ruptured. Fearing contamination, the soldiers seal the base, then head out into the desert, taking supplies and weapon schematics with them. This event was called the "Exodus," and the surviving soldiers went on to eventually form the Brotherhood of Steel.
There ya' have it
SuAside said:
Totally correct, I'm afraid. I didn't mention the FEV program , because while it is relevant to the founding of the Brotherhood, it is not important to the subject that FEV had at one time been developed at West Tech. I don't think that any of the soldiers had seen West Tech before their expedition (though I may be wrong with this one, I don't think it was directly mentioned. Would have to consult the Bibles, probably.)
Docholyday --> It was Captain Roger Maxson, wasn't it, the leader of the soldiers who originally had founded BoS? General Maxson was his descendant, and the leader of BoS in the times of the Vault Dweller.
docholyday
First time out of the vault
correct;
2099:John Maxon, the future High Elder of the BOS in Fallout1 is born.
hehe, having the FOBs in a binder with you at work comes in handy.
2099:John Maxon, the future High Elder of the BOS in Fallout1 is born.
hehe, having the FOBs in a binder with you at work comes in handy.
Thanks. I wondered hard and long what the brotherhood "rebels" were doing at The Glow, since the Brotherhood didnt come from there, and they said they were seeking the Brotherhoods origin. Or something. Seems like it was they who did the mixing up after all. 
Just goes to show that people aren't perfect in videogames either, I guess. 
There is still the question of how they managed to confuse the Mariposa base with West Tek/ The Glow, though. Quite shoddy navigation, seeing as they are quite far from each other.
Silly Brotherhood n00bs
I wondered hard and long what the brotherhood "rebels" were doing at The Glow, since the Brotherhood didnt come from there, and they said they were seeking the Brotherhoods origin. Or something. Seems like it was they who did the mixing up after all. Just goes to show that people aren't perfect in videogames either, I guess. There is still the question of how they managed to confuse the Mariposa base with West Tek/ The Glow, though. Quite shoddy navigation, seeing as they are quite far from each other.
Silly Brotherhood n00bs
docholyday said:
euhm? come again? you sure about the dates on that thing?
my FOB says:
2055: The West Tek Research Facility starts working on a new virus to kill the New Plague. Their viral research and close ties to the federal government eventually lead to them being chosen for the Pan-Immunity Virion Project twenty years later as well as Power Infantry Armor and laser research.
2075 March 21: PVP experiments continue at West Tek with batch 10-011, in the wake of successful tests of the virus on single-celled organisms. Experiments on plant cells are postponed. The pan-immunity virion is renamed FEV - the Forced Evolutionary Virus.
2075 May 9: FEV experiments continue at Mariposa with batch 10-011, in the wake of successful tests on flatworms, the flatworms exhibit increase size and heightened resistance to viral contagions. Experiments with insects have less success, and further experimentation on insects is postponed by Major Barnett.
2075 June 30: FEV experiments continue at Mariposa with batch 10-011, with white mice as subjects. Increased size, muscle density, and intelligence are noted.
2075 Nov 9: FEV experimentation (batch 10-011) on rabbits is concluded. Increased size, intelligence, and (this time) aggressiveness is noted. Apparently, it was hard to determine whether the flatworms in the previous experiments were angrier and more violent than normal. Frankly, the researchers cannot be blamed for this.
2076 January 3: A military team under the command of Colonel Spindel is sent to the West Tek research facility to monitor the experiments in the interest of national security. Captain Roger Maxson (the grandfather of John Maxson, the High Elder of the Brotherhood of Steel in F1) is among the team personnel.
2076 January 12: Splicing in several new gene sequences into their test virus, dogs are injected with batch 11-101a at Mariposa. Although increased strength was noted, increased intelligence was not.
2076 January 26: Using batch 11-011, experiments are conducted on raccoons. Same results are noted, but the attempted escape of several infected raccoons causes Major Barnett to terminate the escape... and the test subjects. Two pairs of raccoons, however, are unaccounted for. Note: Scott Campbell and Chris Taylor intended these escaped raccoons to form an intelligent animal community NW of the Glow called the "Burrows." This location was never implemented.
2076 April 15: Once all secondary tests and studies are done on the test subjects, all dogs from the batch 11-101a FEV tests at Mariposa are terminated... from a safe distance.
2076 October 4: At West Tek, fifteen chimpanzees are infected with batch 11-111. The most successful test to date, growth and immunities in the chimpanzees surpass all other subjects to date. The military practically drools over the results. Plans are made in secret to begin testing in small quarantine towns in North America, and the Mariposa Military Base construction is sped up in anticipation of moving the West Tek project to a location under military supervision.
2077 January 7: Major Barnett orders transfer of all FEV research to the newly-constructed Mariposa Military Base, despite objections by the research team.
2077 February: FEV Research is leaked to the world through an unknown source. Protests in many major cities and governments around the world, as well as accusations that the US was responsible for the New Plague. FEV is seen as the threat it is, and serves only to fuel tensions.
2077 October: Captain Roger Maxson and his men discover that the scientists at Mariposa have been using "military volunteers" (military prisoners who didn't have their brains scooped for use in Brain Bots) as test subjects in their experiments. Morale in the base breaks down, and Maxson executes Anderson, the chief scientist. Not long after this (and in light of the breakdown of the mental breakdown of Colonel Spindel stationed at the base), Maxson's men turn to him for leadership. He shrugs and says "we should quit."
2077 October 20: Captain Roger Maxson, now in control of Mariposa, declares himself to be in full desertion from the army (via radio)... and nothing happens. Worried, Maxson orders all families stationed outside the base moved inside the Mariposa facility.
2077 October 23: Great War: Bombs are launched; who struck first is unknown... and it is not even known if the bombs came from China or America. Air raid sirens sound, but very few people go into vaults, thinking it is a false alarm. The Vaults are sealed.
2077 October 23: The West Tek research facility is hit by warheads, breaking open the FEV tanks on levels four and five and releasing it into the atmosphere. Once exposed to radiation, it begins to mutate and infect humans and critters in the wasteland and dooming the player character in F1 and F2 to endure hordes of random encounters.
2077 October 23: The Mariposa Military Base survives, the soldiers and scientists within protected from the radiation and FEV flooding the wasteland.
2077 October 25: Two days later at Mariposa, a scout in Power Armor (Platner) is sent out to get specific readings on the atmosphere. He reports no significant radiation in the area surrounding the facility.
2077 October 27: After burying the scientists in the wastes outside of Mariposa, the soldiers seal the military base, then head out into the desert, taking supplies and weapon schematics with them. Captain Maxson leads his men and families to the government bunker at Lost Hills. (This event was called the "Exodus," and the surviving soldiers went on to eventually form the Brotherhood of Steel.)Note: Although Maxson's points in his holodisk indicated that civilian personnel (presumably families of the scientists or other civilians not associated with the military) were to remain at the base, whether they did or not is unknown.
2077 Nov: Captain Maxson, his men, and their families, arrive at the Lost Hills bunker a few weeks later, suffering many casualties along the way, including Maxson's wife (but not his teenage son). The Lost Hills bunker becomes the HQ of the Brotherhood of Steel the Vault Dweller finds in Fallout 1.
this means there is a difference of 10 years between mine and yours...
btw: Captain Maxson did NOT start the BoS. Capt Maxson lead them out towards the lost hills bunker, but it is his SON that sets the ideology in motion. it is the son that names the group Brotherhood of Steel.
docholyday
First time out of the vault
interesting, i typed everything straight from what i printed out, which i got off of here, your seems to also include a bit more on the subject. could you point me towards where you got that timeline?
As I understood it from the holodisks, the dead guys in The Glow were the "rebels" who wanted to go back to where the Brotherhood had originally come from, to search for salvagable technology. I guess I just mixed them up with the rebels. After all, the holodisk telling about them said they were "never heard from again". It seemed to match, until I realised that The Glow is not where the Brotherhood came from (making me all confused and promting me to create this thread).
But if the dead guys in The Glow weren't the rebels I dont think it was nice of Black Isle to make it all so confusing, making me confuse the expedition (if there was one) to The Glow with the rebels.
But still, how did The Brotherhood even know about The Glow (assuming that the guys there actually went there on purpose)?
But if the dead guys in The Glow weren't the rebels I dont think it was nice of Black Isle to make it all so confusing, making me confuse the expedition (if there was one) to The Glow with the rebels.
But still, how did The Brotherhood even know about The Glow (assuming that the guys there actually went there on purpose)?
docholyday said:
old online fallout bible of course
(i cleaned out the irrelevant stuff)
http://www.rpgfrance.net/~frenchvault/falloutbible/fb02.shtml (scroll down)
Brutulf said:As I understood it from the holodisks, the dead guys in The Glow were the "rebels" who wanted to go back to where the Brotherhood had originally come from, to search for salvagable technology. I guess I just mixed them up with the rebels. After all, the holodisk telling about them said they were "never heard from again". It seemed to match, until I realised that The Glow is not where the Brotherhood came from (making me all confused and promting me to create this thread).
But if the dead guys in The Glow weren't the rebels I dont think it was nice of Black Isle to make it all so confusing, making me confuse the expedition (if there was one) to The Glow with the rebels.
But still, how did The Brotherhood even know about The Glow (assuming that the guys there actually went there on purpose)?
the "rebels" did go to go find technology and information about the creation of the BoS
why wouldnt they search the place where the scientist of Mariposa originally came from? i think it kinda makes sense tbh...
SuAside said:
Well, I just thought it was weird, since it is not mentioned anywhere (as far as I know) about any of the personell at Mariposa being stationed at West Tek, or that anyone there even knew about West Tek (I assume it would be a highly classified location). And even if they knew about West Tek, why would they go there (first), as Mariposa was where all the BoS technology came from?
Just wondering, and pondering...
Since they (BOS) already have been in Mariposa - that being the place, where they came from, and they could have heard about the Glow from the scientists (who were relocated to Mariposa from the West Tech) they could have wanted to explore it. Still, it's more about the origins of the FEV experiment than the Brotherhood.
Silencer said:
Yeah, I guess that's a possibility. It just didn't make much sense at the time. Anyway, thanks for clearing things up
Edit: I just found something new.
If you ask the Brotherhood door greeter to "tell you about" "Ancient order" he says that at the time of the exodus, the Brotherhood split into two groups, and that one of the groups robbed the other for weapons and headed southwest. Also, he says that 10 years ago they sent out a party to look for them, but, as he says "all they found was ruins" (I assume that he is referring to The Glow).
I think that clears things up even a bit more
The only thing that doesn't match is that he says that the other group went southwest, when The Glow is to the southeast.
Just a mistake on their part, I guess, or on Black Isle's