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The piracy issue has little to do with the downfall of PC gaming. The issue is that you've got no one fighting the PC's corner. Microsoft used to with Windows but they're much more interested in pushing the XBox these days. They have far more control over it than they do with Windows, where any...

I wish that knob would just answer a straight question. He's acting like a frickin politician, not a 'games' developer. Really, how is it going to be easier showing us the product than saying "Yes, we've shat all over the original design, it's now a real-time dungeon-crawler FTW!"

Wow, I'm seeing more drama than your average play by Harold Pinter.

Why not go into your reasons? Why would Rosh lie?

And how exactly is the Codex making a difference? They may be more partial to posting the "rumours" but by doing so are they really affecting Beths direction what-so-ever? The fact is Bethesda have retreated into their shell, they're way too pig-headed to take advice from us measly fans, hell...

Exactly, it's not like Kahn could just drop by BethSoft's offices and eve's drop some info. Rosh's privalidged position within the industry has obviously made him privy to more info than the unwashed masses, yet he seems to think that everyone, whether in the industry or not should have the same...

Wow? What crawled up Rosh's ass and died?

Haha, I used to own that game, yeah, it sucked ass. Actually I thought it was OK for the time, but then again I was pretty young and didn't know my ass from my elbow.

The rest of your post above this means absolutely nothing in the context of this discussion, you’re simply reaffirming that shitty games are still games, well duh. However, this part is where we fundamentally disagree. I don't think a computer game with really shitty gameplay can ever be called...

I'm not interested in debating Fallout's story with you, that comment was throw-away and not central to my point, which is that a good computer game must have good gameplay. It depends If you take the story to encompass the characters, and their personalities and motives, for instance the idea...

Haven't what? Made the first two or gave The Elder Scrolls any care and attention? I suspect the latter.

I think the difference is how we define a game, if a "game" simply contained the elements you've mentioned, a story with little to no gameplay, I wouldn't consider it a game at all. I'd see it as an interactive story, another type of computer application, on par with visual E-Books, and I'm sure...

So let me get this straight, you'd accept a game with shitty gameplay? Doesn't that defeat the object of a game? A game is meant to be fun to play, if you simply want a good story go watch a movie or read a book. While story and atmosphere can be very important things to a game if the gameplay...

Huh? That's one thing you can't say about Morrowind and Oblivion.

I have a problem with Catholic's believing in things like evolution but at the same time accepting that there must be a God. You're cherry picking your beliefs. What you're essentially saying is "OK, we accept this part of the bible is complete rubbish, we know that God didn't simply magic...

Oh, that reminds me, we still on for our Thursday night lynching Wooz? Remember to bring the cross and gas, it just isn't the same without them.

Even ignoring all the "stereotypical" stuff you mentioned your "ideas" were beyond stupid, especially when taken in the context of who's developing this game, do you really think a small independent Russian developer would really be able to introduce all of those features you mentioned...

I remain skeptical, sounds like another project with big dreams but little substance. We've seen it a hundred times before; these projects are built up with ambitious promises and almost arrogant self-assurance and then die away a few months after conception. You are being facetious...right?

The difference between us and the ST fan base is that they were genuinely shocked when Bethesda and associates shafted their universe. As they said, they trusted in what Bethesda would do with the license. We're all already well aware of the ass-raping Fallout 3 may receive.

I can get a free version of the business edition from my university (one of the benefits of being a student) but I'll probably hold out and see if they put up the Ultimate Edition. Although I don't know if I'm really going to use all the extra crap.