Specifically Fallout 3.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4KR3nmDpz0
Thank God for the First Amendment!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4KR3nmDpz0
Thank God for the First Amendment!
Australian politicians discussing violent videogames
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Chancellor Kremlin
Mildly Dipped
Can somebody give me the gist of it? I can't access youtube from here.
I don't care for Fallout 3 much, but you are insane. No place is better without it because all people deserve to make the choice wheter to play it or not.Leon said:
Videogame studies done scientifically,point out that there is no proof that violent videogames cause violence.
Bad parenting, and possible psychological problems cause violence, i doubt violent videogames make people who play those games violent, unless they suffer a mental illness.
Hell, i played SOF, Doom, and Duke Nukem 3d when i was a kid.
And i turned out okay.
Bad parenting, and possible psychological problems cause violence, i doubt violent videogames make people who play those games violent, unless they suffer a mental illness.
Hell, i played SOF, Doom, and Duke Nukem 3d when i was a kid.
And i turned out okay.
Chancellor Kremlin said:
It's basically a bunch of ignorant politicians who have set themselves up to be the morality police of the country and legislating their personal beliefs as law. They simply think that anyone, not just kids, shouldn't be playing violent videogames because it's not the "decent" thing to do.
Well, there is a very short-term relation, in that during play and immediately after a child might be more prone to anger or whathaveyou. But even animals comprehend the difference between "play" and "real" fighting. Long-term effects have much, much more to do with...Patton89 said:
This, this, this.Patton89 said:
The parents of people that have committed atrocities look for a scapegoat to divert blame from themselves. They shirked responsibility while raising the kid (whether or not they were fucked in the head to begin with is irrelevant), and of course they'll shirk responsibility for the consequences. After all, they can't be bad parents!
I fucking hate the double standards that these people are allowed to get away with, and not at all because I like to play videogames. They let the TV be a babysitter and then wonder what's wrong with their children.
Eh, anyways, morality and legislation are a volatile mix, and one that many people are all to happy to attempt.
PastaMasta
Mildly Dipped
It's not like after you play GTA4 your going to run about the street shooting random people. Australian politicians are fuckheads, case fucking closed.
JunWisewar
It Wandered In From the Wastes
Lucky at the place I live here, a 6 years old can easily buy violent games without any restraint unless the parent found out.
Parent should keep an eye on their child, not the law that will affect everyone.
Parent should keep an eye on their child, not the law that will affect everyone.
PastaMasta
Mildly Dipped
Well, you could argue that mentally unstable people might not be able to play video games.
IIRC there was a study that actually DID show a correlation between playing video games and increased aggression.
The same study showed identical correlations for sports and other popular means of "venting steam".
What's funny is that the German gov't is actually considering a(nother) ban of Gotcha (or Paintball, depending on where you come from). What makes this particularly pointless is that it is part of the knee-jerk gun control reaction to the recent school shootings -- and the vast majority of those affected by the ban are well-adjusted adult men in their mid-30s playing it as a team sport.
When will they learn that school shooters don't have friends they can play with and that THAT is precisely part of the reason they're doing it (apart from being effed-up in the head and in dire need of therapy).
The same study showed identical correlations for sports and other popular means of "venting steam".
What's funny is that the German gov't is actually considering a(nother) ban of Gotcha (or Paintball, depending on where you come from). What makes this particularly pointless is that it is part of the knee-jerk gun control reaction to the recent school shootings -- and the vast majority of those affected by the ban are well-adjusted adult men in their mid-30s playing it as a team sport.
When will they learn that school shooters don't have friends they can play with and that THAT is precisely part of the reason they're doing it (apart from being effed-up in the head and in dire need of therapy).
There have been studies that show "benefits" of gaming, like improved hand precision, better ability to see eye charts (small things) and even as a way to "ignore" or deal with pain.
Currently, there is no evidence that videogames are a main reason that causes real world violence or aggresiveness, in significant way.
And real world violence has not increased in the time of violent videogames. In USA , the amount of youth violence has dropped.
Inconclusive at best really.
Links to a interesting article.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/05/080514213432.htm
http://www.scientificblogging.com/news_releases/video_games_and_violence_are_studies_biased
Currently, there is no evidence that videogames are a main reason that causes real world violence or aggresiveness, in significant way.
And real world violence has not increased in the time of violent videogames. In USA , the amount of youth violence has dropped.
Inconclusive at best really.
Links to a interesting article.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/05/080514213432.htm
http://www.scientificblogging.com/news_releases/video_games_and_violence_are_studies_biased
DarkCorp
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
Wow that first guy who had the Fallout shirt could have comeback with something much more stronger than what he did say.
I love how they only focused on the negative aspects of Fallout instead of the positives. He easily could have responded by saying, "Sure their is the possibility to play through as a homicidal maniac but there also exists an option to play through the game as a character who values justice and selflishness. Who travels the wasteland trying to help instead of harm. Imagine a man who happens to use said drugs but does it so that he can steal medicine from greedy raiders in order to give it to those who cannot afford but need the medecine.
Also the prime cause for wars is resource shortage, political dick swinging contests through proxies, and general die hards who most likely kill because their family was smartbombed and they happened to be the sole survivor. Vengeance also is another primary factor for generating violence or animosity. Games actually allow the person to vent through a virtual world and therefore get their minds off of their current real world problems. If people want to ban video games they might as well ban alcohol, cigarettes, books and a whole slew of miscellaneous things.
I love how they only focused on the negative aspects of Fallout instead of the positives. He easily could have responded by saying, "Sure their is the possibility to play through as a homicidal maniac but there also exists an option to play through the game as a character who values justice and selflishness. Who travels the wasteland trying to help instead of harm. Imagine a man who happens to use said drugs but does it so that he can steal medicine from greedy raiders in order to give it to those who cannot afford but need the medecine.
Also the prime cause for wars is resource shortage, political dick swinging contests through proxies, and general die hards who most likely kill because their family was smartbombed and they happened to be the sole survivor. Vengeance also is another primary factor for generating violence or animosity. Games actually allow the person to vent through a virtual world and therefore get their minds off of their current real world problems. If people want to ban video games they might as well ban alcohol, cigarettes, books and a whole slew of miscellaneous things.
UnidentifiedFlyingTard
Vault Fossil
TamaNeko said:
not to be a dumb American but does the First Amendment apply to Australia at all considering its part of US Constitution, or are you simply saying that we don't have to worry about that shit here?
i think he meant "thank god that it can't happen in the USA".UnidentifiedFlyingTard said:
which it can, actually, but that aside.
TheGM
The voice of reason
I look at it like this.
Sooner or later those fuckers are going to die off. They we won't he the arguement as much.
Sooner or later those fuckers are going to die off. They we won't he the arguement as much.
Except now!Leon said:
Well, do they really have to start a political discussion about games? I mean when ever that kind of topic pops up here in Germany the first thing I always have to think about, is there not more important things to talk about? I mean, not even such super heavy topics like wars, but already just alone drug abuse by children/youths or poverty which also starts to become here a more and more serious issue particularly with children and youths. Though you never see "political" dissucions about that, not with the same alertness as "violant computer games" ... reminds me to the same issue around the time when "violant movies" have been during the 90s a big topic ...
Annizzilator
First time out of the vault
DarkCorp said:
I'm pretty sure Madden 02' caused me to have a fit of rage so bad I disabled my T.V. with a nice kick to the face. "I hate you John Madden", if he had been near there would of been violence on HIS face instead of my poor innocent television. I will never forgive him, ever.
Madden 02' translated into real world violence and a thirst of vengeance. At least with truly violent games I can empty a clip and half or a fist of fury that isn't into real world merchandise. I wish Madden 02' came with a bash Madden's face simulator, problem solved, MORE violence is needed in games to alleviate the stress of playing games and being alive.