Bethesda has the best fan interaction *ever*

[Briosafreak]

I don`t, but isometric 3D like in Silent Storm, now that would be interesting. And Brady you`re wrong, most people just noticed this issue after Kharn posted the newsbit.

 

[God is Dog backwards]

I am pretty certain that had Bethsoft not mentioned the 'we do what we do best' and non isometric thing, I wouldn't be as angry as I am now. If they had said 'we consider turn based combat and isometric viewpoints to be part of Fallout's core and we want to respect that', I'd have been cheering them on.

I'd rather them do a good 3D one that stuck closely to the feel and spirit of Fallout than them trying to cludge together a 2D Isometric one and failing.. A good Fallout 3 in 3D with a 3D camera would be so much better than a poorly executed Fallout 3 with just a poorly hacked Fallout 2 engine.

I think a Fallout game with a camera similar to the one in Spellforce or Sacrifice would look well.

I meant 3D. Isometric probably isn't the right term. The VB screenshots look exactly how I'd like the game to look.

 

[Derlaid]

I don`t see you concerned with the generalizations against NMA members beeing made on SA, do i Derlaid? So what`s the point?

There is no point. There never was one.

Actually, I'm wrong, there was: My only point in this entire conversation was to tack on the bottom of the new article Hayt's disclaimer. That's all.

Too bad I'm untrustworthy.

I can't justify the bannings for NMA members and I hope that whoever DOSed/goatsed this site gets banned on SA.

 

[Briosafreak]

Edit: Ok then

 

[Per]

Personally, I think a 3rd person 3D fallout isn't the end of the world. Ya, it'll be different. So?

If you look around the forum I think you'll see that 3rd person 3D is what people want and expect, as opposed to 1st person. Sure, some people are talking about the original engine, but even then it's mostly in hypothetical terms. I don't think anyone would fight for a 2D engine.

(Btw, shouldn't that be "2nd person"? Or is the 2nd person whoever the character is interacting with at the time? Would make for an odd perspective in that case.)

 

[Hirle]

There is no point. There never was one.

hmmm nice. thanks for posting then!!

(note: edited my post for spelling, grammar and added stuff so now you might even be able to read it


and some more editing:

(Btw, shouldn't that be "2nd person"? Or is the 2nd person whoever the character is interacting with at the time? Would make for an odd perspective in that case.)

hehehe never really understood that either, some one please explain

 

[Odin]

I meant 3D. Isometric probably isn't the right term. The VB screenshots look exactly how I'd like the game to look.

Meh, I wasn't that pleased with the shots. But then again they were very early build, so it would have looked better in the end. What I didn't like about the IPLY/BIS engine was that you couldn't destroy all the terrain (ie buildings etc...), which you can with the Silent Storm engine.

Then again in Silent Storm it was a little too easy to destroy everything, a couple of bursts and you tore a huge hole in the wall. Not all guns do that.. But that should be able to modify..

After playing Silent Storm I really want the future Fallout 3 to be something like that, sure we might loose some/alot of detail but then again we might gain another experience.

 

[Macaco]

Does anyone know how well SS sold? just curious, It was a great game, flawless combat (If used to make a fallout game it would even make perception a better attribute, by affecting hearing) tough is slowed down a lot after you got the Panzerthingies.

 

[Briosafreak]

It didn`t allow for such destruction but could have much more detail, and that was the important, so we could have that detailed feel of 2D but in 3D.

 

[Araanor]

I think 'second person' is a purely linguistic term, doesn't mean anything in relation to perspectives.

 

[Fallacy]

Hirle my point was to counter these moronic "hurr hurr if SA banned idiots, 95% of its members would get banned" remarks and other inane attacks. I mentioned JE Sawyer since that's pretty much the only thing these two forums have in common and as far as I know, you have some respect for him.

My points were at least somewhat valid, but your rebuttal makes little sense for someone who actually reads the forums. But I suppose for you the preceeding ad hominem was supposed to do the trick.

Anyway, why is someone who registered a few days ago defending NMA? Got banned at SA perhaps?

edit: I'm done here. One thing I share with you all here is the love for Fallout. On the other hand I did enjoy Morrowind as well, despite all its flaws.

 

[Corran]

oiy, ...
if Bethesda wants to take their time, money, and resources to try developing Fallout 3 in a non-traditional since in ANY regard (3D is non-traditional for Fallout), I don't really mind. Since Interplay decided it would be better off letting someone else try (for now at least) their hand at the frachise, I say, "better Fallout 3 by Bethesda than no Fallout at all." AND, if it does horribly suck (whatever noun with adjectives you want here), then it will give years of evidence than the Fallout Series is not to be toyed with lightly. Other than that, Bethesda is out to make money (and if they get to have fun or make a game they can be proud of, even better) as is InterPlay, though they have fewer options. If Fallout 3 sells, it sells and Bethesda may make another latter on, and if it doesn't sell, they will try something different, or have Interplay regain control (I'm assuming Bethesda doesn't have the legal right to sell it ).

That's all I ever plan on posting until more press releases or demo convince me otherwise, good luck to you all.



Edit for Per and those who have the same question:
I/Me - 1st Person
You - 2nd Person } is what I was taught
They - 3rd Person
applying this to game camera angles we get:
Quake - 1st Person (we all know this one)
Gran Turismo (when the camera acts like it's in the stands and keeps moving to a new audience member) is the best I can think of at the moment for 2nd Person
From Fallout (which is similar to WarCraft to me) to Grand THeft Auto 3 or N64 Zeldas (overview & follow cams) - 3rd Person

anyone who disagrees, I'd be happy to discuss in pm's or whatever, just making an attempt to answer the questions.

 

[Per]

Hirle my point was to counter these moronic "hurr hurr if SA banned idiots, 95% of its members would get banned" remarks and other inane attacks.

Ah, so now you're editing our statements to fit your reality a little better. You almost got me with the second "hurr" argument, but nah.

 

[Odin]

To Corran: Erm, not the right thread for that specific discussion.. Next time try to find a more specific thread.. (even tho we've derailed it somewhat)..

 

[Fallacy]

Hirle my point was to counter these moronic "hurr hurr if SA banned idiots, 95% of its members would get banned" remarks and other inane attacks.

Ah, so now you're editing our statements to fit your reality a little better. You almost got me with the second "hurr" argument, but nah.

Ah, so about 95% of the posters I noticed when I visited SA yesterday will be banned by now, then. I mean, you wouldn't be lying to us, would you?

Basic statistics

 

[Briosafreak]

Hirle my point was to counter these moronic "hurr hurr if SA banned idiots, 95% of its members would get banned" remarks and other inane attacks.

Well somehow after the moronic attacks from members of the SA forum against NMA your arguments don`t impress me, i wonder why... So farewell, nice trolling somewhere else.

 

[Per]

Hirle my point was to counter these moronic "hurr hurr if SA banned idiots, 95% of its members would get banned" remarks and other inane attacks.

Ah, so now you're editing our statements to fit your reality a little better. You almost got me with the second "hurr" argument, but nah.

Ah, so about 95% of the posters I noticed when I visited SA yesterday will be banned by now, then. I mean, you wouldn't be lying to us, would you?

Basic statistics

Are you saying the posters I saw in the one thread I visited automatically represent the rest of SA by way of your "basic statistics"? I thought you were the one going on about real or imagined generalizations, but if you say so...

 

[Hirle]

Hirle my point was to counter these moronic "hurr hurr if SA banned idiots, 95% of its members would get banned" remarks and other inane attacks.

Aww... common... if asine remarks like that get you all worked up (made purely out of anger over an unfair decision). I'll say it for you, chances are that if SA banned idiots, not 95% of its members would be banned. You are right.

I mentioned JE Sawyer since that's pretty much the only thing these two forums have in common and as far as I know, you have some respect for him.

Yes, i do, but the fact that you say that he posted more on SA then on NMA cant, in my opinion, be explained in other ways than either "proving" "you" are better then "us", which is retarded or defending SA as being a forum thats not all bad and in some ways even great, which is like i said unnecessary.

My points were at least somewhat valid, but your rebuttal makes little sense for someone who actually reads the forums.

Read which forums? SA or NMA? I dont read the SA forums. And usually when people say stuff like that they actually back up why your points are valid and mine are not. I suppose my only serious point was that turning this into a NMA vs. SA war is silly and serves no purpose.

But I suppose for you the preceeding ad hominem was supposed to do the trick.

Yes, thats what they're there for

Anyway, why is someone who registered a few days ago defending NMA?

I've been reading NMA for a long time, and decided to sign up because of this mess (not what you're saying but the announcement of fallout 3 and the mayhem surrounding it) and because i had some time to kill. And i'm defending them because, i think, they are right on this matter.

Got banned at SA perhaps?

No, never been a member and never will be, cause i dont/wont pay for a forum, but still, like i said in the post i edited (you might have missed the edit):

there's no need to defend your favorite forum, because i ("we" i hope/think) do not have a problem with SA in general, just with this issue.

I have absolutely no problem with SA. Although i do not read the forum, i do read the site and think it is funny as hell at times (i believe i also already said that). So no conspiracy theory for you

I'm done here. One thing I share with you all here is the love for Fallout. On the other hand I did enjoy Morrowind as well, despite all its flaws.

That's nice, i enjoyed morrowind as well, only for a very limited time, but still, the graphical part of the world was done great, and the game had a great sense of exploration, too bad it (the dialog/quests/story/combat) lacked substance. Lets hope Bethesda fixes that in FO.

[edited: retarded mistakes... i need to check before i click]

 

[jesawyer]

One has to wonder why JE Sawyer has over 8000 posts on SA and merely 16 on a forum dedicated to a game he was designing.

My interests in life cover more than just Fallout.

 

[Malky]

Oh shit, son.