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I haven't seen it done before, Maybe I just missed it? But I haven't seen any religion/god related post on this board, so here I am to find out what a few of you believe.

The question?: "What is 'God'?"
A few days ago I posted a reply to that question on an AOL message board, And thought I'd share my views with the nma community.
My reply read as follows:

"Lemme tell you what "God" is.... God is getting fired from your job and getting pissed at your boss. God is having an accident and becoming a cripple. God is having a loving caring family. God is getting beaten as a child. God is being rich or poor. God is being born a certain race. God is being a loser and
never dating. God is being scared of a certain thing because of something bad that happened. God is having no friends or lots of them. God is almost starving on a daily basis. God is as simple as missing the bus. God is what has shaped you from birth. Your surroundings are "God".

Evolution made humans, The things that happen in your life are what created -YOU-. Think of the human species as seperate individual balls of clay. The different surroundings change that ball of clay into what you see in the mirror every day, And helps decide the way you feel, Look, and think. Some all-powerful being didn't decide how you would think and act, Your surroundings did. The people you talk to did. Your parents did. What happens to you on a daily basis did......And still does.

The "all-powerful creator" God is a myth. Made up long ago by random people who needed an answer and slapped the "God" sticker on it. It became a widely known thing 'cause they taught it to their children, Those children taught it to theirs, and so on. That's the only reason most of you believe in God, is because it was what you were taught from birth. There are so many different religions out there, Some with Devils, some with Gods, some
with severel Gods, some with "Jesus" type figures and some without. Why is that? Because different people long ago made up different stories to believe in and passed it on like I stated above. All of them have different characters, All of them have different "miracles" so to speak. And not a single one of them are fact, They're all based on faith, Believing in something you can't see. A book and random things written down isn't proof, That's just
where the chain got started. Evolution, however, IS pretty much a fact, You can see the proof. And a little bit of proof compared to a mass of chaos and different beliefs out of different people was more then enough to make this loser an Atheist.

As for how "evolution" started, or "where" the universe and whatnot came from, Who knows. I doubt we ever will. I've only been able to come up with one conclusion, And that is.. Humans can't possibly conceive or imagine that something could have ALWAYS been there. (In this case, the universe). People think that all things have to start from somewhere, It can't just have "been there" forever. Simple as that."

Thanks for reading. Post any comments/disagreements you may have. It's all out of curiosity, Don't kill eachother for what they think.

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The glass is always half empty....and cracked..
And I just cut my lip on it... and chipped a tooth.."
 
SALAAM ALEIKUM! APA KHABAR???

Asked the peasant of a merchant. Khabar baik, replied the merchant happily.

Why not believe in him? If he exists you'll go to Heaven if you believe, and if he doesn't, then nothing bad can come out of it. *smite* Ow!

Seriously though, it is a mite hard to believe if you think about it a little bit.

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RE: SALAAM ALEIKUM! APA KHABAR???

if you refer to an omnipotent god then it is rather hard, but if you believe in a spiritual god, not a creator but someone that can help you help yourself then i think its great.

Anyways as you said the downside of believing in god is none. Unless someone else determines your god and you inferior and kills your family with gas and then throws the dead bodies in an incinerator. Nazis Fuck Off!!!
 
>"Lemme tell you what "God" is....
>God is getting fired from
>your job and getting pissed
>at your boss. God is
>having an accident and becoming
>a cripple. God is having
>a loving caring family. God
>is getting beaten as a
>child. God is being rich
>or poor. God is being
>born a certain race. God
>is being a loser and
>never dating. God is being scared
>of a certain thing because
>of something bad that happened.
>God is having no friends
>or lots of them. God
>is almost starving on a
>daily basis. God is as
>simple as missing the bus.
>God is what has shaped
>you from birth. Your surroundings
>are "God".

That's funny, I've never seen anyone but you define "God" that way. Perhaps because that is *your* definition? Maybe you're talking about bad karma?

>Evolution made humans, The things that
>happen in your life are
>what created -YOU-. Think of
>the human species as seperate
>individual balls of clay. The
>different surroundings change that ball
>of clay into what you
>see in the mirror every
>day, And helps decide the
>way you feel, Look, and
>think. Some all-powerful being didn't
>decide how you would think
>and act, Your surroundings did.
>The people you talk to
>did. Your parents did. What
>happens to you on a
>daily basis did......And still does.

That's called sociological adaptation and learning, not evolution. Evolution is the mutation of species. However don't think that the evolution claim has irrefutable proof. In fact the evolution theory has *lots* of holes. For instance scientists can't even create the simplest of life in the laboratory using non-living chemicals and conditions. Where is the so-called "missing link?" Why are archaeologists unearthing ruins that existed thousands of years before the estimated beginning of mankind? Why are we sentient?

>And not
>a single one of them
>are fact, They're all based
>on faith, Believing in something
>you can't see.

Not true, at least historical references to the Bible. Archaeologists have unearthed many cities and places that follow the time and place set in the Bible. Yeah, a lot of it is faith, but to say that none of it is based in fact is untrue.

>A book
>and random things written down
>isn't proof, That's just
>where the chain got started. Evolution,
>however, IS pretty much a
>fact, You can see the
>proof. And a little bit
>of proof compared to a
>mass of chaos and different
>beliefs out of different people
>was more then enough to
>make this loser an Atheist.

However evolution requires just as much faith as any other religion. Evolution is not a proven fact. In fact, it is more of an "other side" to creationalism than anything. I believe evolution is too slow a process, and why would anything evolve past single-celled organisms? What is it that makes life want to reproduce?

>As for how "evolution" started, or
>"where" the universe and whatnot
>came from, Who knows. I
>doubt we ever will. I've
>only been able to come
>up with one conclusion, And
>that is.. Humans can't possibly
>conceive or imagine that something
>could have ALWAYS been there.
>(In this case, the universe).

Well here's another corrundum: Is it not hard to accept a beginning? Take the Big Bang for instance. Why was everything a single ball of matter? Was it like that for a long time until it finally exploded? Or did the universe "begin" when it exploded?

A beginning is just as hard to accept as forever.

-Xotor-

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I should have known the mighty Xotor would pick apart my post. :)

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The glass is always half empty....and cracked..
And I just cut my lip on it... and chipped a tooth.."
 
I have my own personal religion. I don't worship it of course, but I like to think about stuff like this. It goes something like this:

A long time ago some aliens, some sentient, advanced aliens, not specified, I just call them aliens, started experimenting on Earth with creating life. They made the first bacteriae, and worked their way up until they had developed their skills so much that they could make sentient beings... which they made. :)

And now, we, the sentient beings, are on our way to do exactly the same thing. When we have somewhere in the future created a sentient species, or created a duplica of man for that matter (we never were extraordinarily creative), we'll set it out on some remote planet somewhere and watch it unfold and live its life.

When we have created a sentient species, the circle has continued. That is the purpose of everything, of every individual, of every animal species, of every sentient species, to continue the family. And the sentient race which we create will eventually reproduce itself again, i.e. develop a new race, as an experiment, with which they "pass on their genes".

And what is outside this "circle"? Another circle. Our "circle" is just a miniscule part, maybe one "species", which is PROGRAMMED to "reproduce" itself, as part of a similar experiment for another race in the "outside" circle. Or, we are one molecule, for that matter, of the outside circle. And outside THERE there's another circle. Our circle is an infinitesimal part of the other circles. Actually, there is an infinite number of circles. Strange, huh?

I hope I got through, my English is a bit plump at times.

Oh, and Xotor, I'm surprised you didn't quote Zakharov: "God is not proven not to exist, therefore he must exist." :)
 
I am an atheist,but i think everyone should be able to believe what they want, without people forcing them to believe something else.
 
This sounds a lot like a certain Star Trek episode.

Besides that, you can't prove it. I can't prove it wrong, either.

But the circle in a circle idea is pretty interesting. I thought up a similar idea :

Who says our universe is the only universe. We could be a very small part of something bigger. (I discussed this with some friends of mine, and came to the conclusion that we were all part of a giant coffeecup :-) )
Let's say our universe is an atom, and it's part of another universe (It could be similar to ours), and that universe is also part of a bigger universe, and so on and so on.
In reverse, all the atoms our world is made of could be tiny universes.

And so on and so on.

About religion, I also think it's nothing more than an explanation people used to explain stuff they couldn't find a logical explanation for.

"Don't worry men, they can't hit us here"
 
Xotor made a pretty good answer, so I'll try not to quote him too much.

Before blaspheming God, define God.

Quote:
"Lemme tell you what "God" is.... God is getting fired from your job and getting pissed at your boss. God is having an accident and becoming a cripple. God is having a loving caring family. God is getting beaten as a child. God is being rich or poor. God is being born a certain race. God is being a loser and
never dating. God is being scared of a certain thing because of something bad that happened. God is having no friends or lots of them. God is almost starving on a daily basis. God is as simple as missing the bus. God is what has shaped you from birth. Your surroundings are "God".

End of quote.

Interesting. So these 'pathetic' stories and myths are an attempt to explain and comfort oneself that there is order, and everything happens for a purpose, because there's a superior sentient being that watches over us? And they are not true? My calculus professor said one interesting thing: it's very easy to prove that something exists, but it's impossible to prove that something doesn't exist. You demand proofs, but all your claims that 'there is no such thing' can be easily otherthrown by a counter-request to prove that there is no God. You will spend eternity searching the Universe, star by star, dust by dust.

Another question is whether that sentient being is worship-worthy. This requires for you to:
1.Define, define and again define this being.
2.Believe in him. Faith is a paramount, I believe in existence of GOD (a sentient being not like human or angel, but that's a story for a separate post) based on evidences that support the theory of my, ahem, religion.

That's it. Whether you want to worship him or not, doesn't really matter. What matters is, you believe in its/his existence. Usually this sentient being is believed to be an ultimate harmony and perfection, so when you define God by yourself, not reading it from books, you are more or less think of him as worship-worthy.

As for 'forever' - time doesn't exist, you know. It's a myth made up by humans, because we often think of time as history. It's not the same thing.




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First I read this:

My calculus professor said one interesting thing: it's very easy to prove that something exists, but it's impossible to prove that something doesn't exist.

Then I read this :

As for 'forever' - time doesn't exist, you know. It's a myth made up by humans, because we often think of time as history. It's not the same thing.

Something's wrong here.

I'm not familiar with the theory about time not existing, so I'd like to hear it.



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The way I look at the whole religion thing is this.For Christianity anyway we have a bible 2000 years old in a world
billions of years old.I refuse to believe that the world existed all that time so we could be put on a correct biblical path in only the last 2000 years.I'm sure Ugg the cave-man would agree.
On that note look at how humans in general tell a story,which the bible is, from one mouth to another they tend to become embellished and distorted the further you go down the line.Look at the King James version of the bible.The title alone would sujest that somewhere though history a certain King James didn't like or wished to encorperate his own personal beliefs into the bible.Its human nature to enhance a story.
Religion all through history has a very violent side to it with one group or another trying to force their beliefs onto another group.Look at the Crusades or right now fighting for religous causes in the middle east.But the funny thing is when you break down the content of the bible or the koran or what ever
you basicaly have all the same principles with not much difference at all.I think it is bred into our minds ,a sense of right and wrong.
Nekron
 
Phew

Reading all these posts are giving me a headache. :D
Damn it, There are too many smart people who play fallout. ;-)

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The glass is always half empty....and cracked..
And I just cut my lip on it... and chipped a tooth.."
 
These are different things. Existence/nonexistence applies when we deliberately take things that deal with infinity (that is, if they are of physical realm). Concept of time is a psychological concept, which is finite. That's why I was talking about defining God. If you 'move' him from infinity to finity of human psychology, he's easier to 'find' - or not to find. That's why P.Addict says that he doesn't agree with popular definition of God - because HIS concept doesn't correspond with popular opinion.

Existence-nonexistence. It means that to prove that something exists, you have to find it. While to prove that something doesn't exist, you have to search everywhere and not find it. And since Universe is really big, it's way harder to do it.

Defining is the CORNERSTONE. If we don't know exactly what we are looking for, it's impossible to give a good answer.




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[font size=1" color="#FF0000]LAST EDITED ON Nov-29-00 AT 11:52PM (GMT)[p]>About religion, I also think it's
>nothing more than an explanation
>people used to explain stuff
>they couldn't find a logical
>explanation for.

Exactly. When facts end, theory begins. Then (hopefuly) come the facts.




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Fallout makes you smart ;-)

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>My calculus professor said one interesting
>thing: it's very easy to
>prove that something exists, but
>it's impossible to prove that
>something doesn't exist.

It is actually impossible to prove that anything exists to anyone else. You can only prove *one* thing to yourself, your existance. It is the idea of "I exist, therefore I am."

We only know the interactions between ourselves any something else. It is only sense data. You cannot confirm that the monitor in front of you exists. Maybe your brain is in a tank and you are being fed data to make you believe the monitor exists.

>Something's wrong here.
>
>I'm not familiar with the theory
>about time not existing, so
>I'd like to hear it.

Time is a point object. The past is a human-defined idea that something existed before the present. Without memories or records, the past does not exist. The future is also a human-created idea that there is something ahead and that it will happen.

We exist in the present, and nowhere else. What we percieve to be a flow of time is really ourselves measuring change.

Think about this: Our perceived time rate is a function of how fast our brain operates. If our brains could operate faster the world would appear slower because we could perceive the world more times a second.

Therefore, when you say that time just flew by or is trudging along, it did, because time is dependant on the observer.

Finally, my perception of time slowing as you approach the speed of light is that because you are moving at such a fast rate you are essentially doing everything at the fastest speed possible, therefore you perceive time to be slow.

-Xotor-

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There you go, much better explanation I could've given (wake up, Aptyp, wake up...)!




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There is no such thing as a fact. Everything is perceived by OUR senses and interpreted by OUR brain. There exists no world other than the world we live in and interpret, no parallel dimensions. Or so we like to think... or is it a fact? Who the hell knows. EVERYTHING is theory.

"I think, therefore I am" is bullshit. Remember the Matrix. In a nutshell, my whole life philosophy is based on that movie. :)
The thought behind that quote is good, however. That there are separate worlds for the sensible and the spiritual.

It's right like Xotor said (or was it someone else?), that beginnings and ends are impossible to realize. "The Big Bang" is just as untrustworthy as "In the Beginning was the Word". Mother Science is just another religion, and it seeks to do exactly the same as every other religion: to find explanations for the incomprehensible.
 
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