alec, I am wondering what you intend to accomplish by having a nerd war with other nerds on the Internet. It's obvious they don't have the same opinions you do and are very unlikely to conform to yours. Let's just cool off and stop brawling with each other.
@GAMER New Vegas article scans
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Spore.
The Sims.
Just two examples of fine RPGs, wouldn't you say?
I'm off to bed.
sea said:
Player input has to enter the game somewhere. Player's sense of tactics and strategy, decision making, and only that, is the purest form of an RPG. Mental stuff, and even then it is (or should be) limited by the game rules, example: you (the player) are intelligent, perceptive, and posses your personal reservoir of knowledge, therefore, given some small details you've found during the course of the game, you already suspect, say, the location of the big bad boss lair or know what question you should ask a technician npc about mechanics in order to solve a quest, your character in-game, however, is a few steps behind you because he's a stat moron, so he can't ask the most pertinent questions, or follow a trail a perceptive character would easily find, instead he has to slowly and clumsily progress to it. And so you, the player, are stuck with him and are forced to progress at his speed, not yours.
As for 'pitiful understanding of combat mechanics', well, that can be said of absolutely any game; you don't know how to play it, you loose.
MKSaibot
It Wandered In From the Wastes
Lazlo said:
They said Colt .45 in the magazine as that is what it looks like. The wiki said the Virigin Mary Pistol (colt .45) takes 9mm. I don't think we know yet if .45 amm is even in the game or will be as of right now.
cogar66 said:
What.
No seriously what.
Your reaction time, ability to twitch-aim while moving, ability to aim a moving target somehow do not make player skill a factor?
What the hell is going on in this thread?
Faceless Stranger
Board Drifter
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sampson70
Still Mildly Glowing
I'm happy about that too,also everything in that screen shot looked different from FO3!Zeronet said:
Yeah...but it we still be better than FO3.Lazlo said:
sampson70
Still Mildly Glowing
I though the actually preview was bad....This guy have the karma and the reputation system all mixed up!
sampson 70: stop double posting. Use the edit button to add to your message if it is the last post in the thread.
OK as to whether or not Fallout New Vegas is a pure RPG...obviously not. However, Obsidian is bringing it much closer to its RPG roots. I believe they are doing the best they can with what they have, Bethesda is probably forcing them to use their engine, which i doubt could be reprogrammed for TBC. They are fixing Bethesda's crappy system as best as they can, making it playable as an rpg or fps. Personally i agree that it would be far better to be turn based, but that isnt going to happen as long as Bethesda owns fallout. I still think its worth checking out, the story seems fairly interesting, and im curious as to how well they are sticking to canon which we really cant say at the moment. we can only speculate. Will i be spending my hard earned $ on it...not til after i play it to try it. But its definitely worth checking out and im willing to bet that its going to be alot better than F03.
UncannyGarlic
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
Flash Gordon space suits and rocket ships with Ghoul builders and pilots. I don't see how it fits into Fallout's theme and I think it's a pretty ridiculous idea given the setting so I'm wondering how they plan on making that one work. Getting more and more whiff's of a Fallout 2 style setting, hopefully everything ties together better than it did before but that's not saying much. I'm not holding my breath.
Regardless, the player skill argument is somewhat bogus as clearly it's a factor in whatever system you use as long as the player has input. The skills required in a TB tactical game are mostly different than the skills required in a RT FPS, the only common factor they have is build optimization. People who suck at optimizing builds (ie don't have a solid grasp on the mechanics of the system) struggle in both types of games.
Fallout shouldn't have FPS combat because that was never the intent of the game or the system. There should be other RPGs that have TB tactical combat because there is an audience for it (including myself) but that doesn't mean that there shouldn't be RPGs with different combat systems, even some which are based on twitch skills (be they RTS-based, FPS-based, hack-n-slash-based, or something else). Variety is a good thing, the problem is in execution. It seems that by slapping RPG on the box and throwing around some stats it makes shitty combat and/or gameplay excusable, which is the real problem.
I don't like that New Vegas is based on Fallout 3's mechanics but at least they are trying to improve them as Fallout 3's combat was unforgivably poor. That all said, I expect New Vegas's combat will be mediocre.
No, it's merely the most traditional due to PnP. That said, combat was originally determined by rock, paper, scissors in the first form of DnD (the first RPG). The reason that combat was abstracted the way it was is entirely due to the medium. LARPing is the closest you can get to live action and a FPS in PnP and it's a crappy representation of both.x'il said:
Regardless, the player skill argument is somewhat bogus as clearly it's a factor in whatever system you use as long as the player has input. The skills required in a TB tactical game are mostly different than the skills required in a RT FPS, the only common factor they have is build optimization. People who suck at optimizing builds (ie don't have a solid grasp on the mechanics of the system) struggle in both types of games.
Fallout shouldn't have FPS combat because that was never the intent of the game or the system. There should be other RPGs that have TB tactical combat because there is an audience for it (including myself) but that doesn't mean that there shouldn't be RPGs with different combat systems, even some which are based on twitch skills (be they RTS-based, FPS-based, hack-n-slash-based, or something else). Variety is a good thing, the problem is in execution. It seems that by slapping RPG on the box and throwing around some stats it makes shitty combat and/or gameplay excusable, which is the real problem.
I don't like that New Vegas is based on Fallout 3's mechanics but at least they are trying to improve them as Fallout 3's combat was unforgivably poor. That all said, I expect New Vegas's combat will be mediocre.
terebikun said:
Now it is.
Jesus Christ. What do you guys want? Fights that play themselves with rolls? Player skill always enters the equation. Whether it's through "Twitch skills" or the player's strategic abilty. "Twitch skills" are better suited for the engine NV is being built on. I've also yet to meet someone who sucked at FPSes so much that the fact they had to aim the weapon ruined their experience. I'm not saying it should be an FPS, I'm saying the fact it is an FPS isn't a big enough reason to dismiss the game.Brother None said: