GameSpot Video Interview: Fallout 3's endgame

[K.C. Cool]

The ship's workers can pour their hearts out in manning the ship, taking pride in all that they do. If the captain drives the ship to it's doom, who is to blame for its demise?

 

[Arash]

The ship's workers can pour their hearts out in manning the ship, taking pride in all that they do. If the captain drives the ship to it's doom, who is to blame for its demise?

the captain is, but you DO know the entire crew will go down with him right?

take Black Isle Studios and Lionsgate(or was it head?) Studios for instance.

 

[mandrake776]

thats because "we were there before the fall" that actually means the fall of Fallout game and ubber pwnage of Interplay.

Bethesda is a great company, but we like a Fallout which is made by the ones who "made" it.

If interplay was "ubber pwnage" they wouldn't have had to sell the Fallout name. Really, more than Bethesda, you should be mad at Interplay for this whole thing. Also for not putting out stable games.

 

[sarfa]

To be fair, nowadays your game isn't an RPG for the PC unless it is bugged to hell and back. Fallout 2 was horroficly glitched without the patches, as was Morrowind, Daggerfall, Oblivion, Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines, Vampire the Masquerade: Redemption, Neverwinter Nights (and it's sequel).

Bugged and unfinished is now the standard for PCRPGs. If Fallout 3 is as stable as this review implies it's not a PCRPG- it can't be.

Interplays problem was attempting to 'milk' the franchise with Tactics and BOS. And not putting out stable, finished, unbugged games...

Based on Bethesda being money grabbing heartless people whose computers are powered by burning children, they will attempt to make Fallout 3 as good as possible for the highets nmber of people. Lots of people thought Oblivion was the pups plums, and this is going to contribute much to Fallout 3's sales, hence their next 'RPG' may sell based on Fallout 3's reputation.

What else- oh, Iozeph, you're awesome.

 

[Arash]

If interplay was "ubber pwnage" they wouldn't have had to sell the Fallout name. Really, more than Bethesda, you should be mad at Interplay for this whole thing. Also for not putting out stable games.

no actually, what i meant was "ubber pwnage of Interplay" as in how bad Interplay got owned. sorry if my sentence didnt' appear like that.


and yes, today most RPGs have bugs because most RPGs are based on full freedom of character. not many games offer this choice, they usually give you a gun and a zone (which you move in it like a hallway) and clear the enemies.

which is harder to program? an FPS or an open world RPG?

RPG of course.

and the reason they release it for PC is because they can fix the so many bugs they couldnt' find during tests. (srsly though, RPGs like Oblivion need a lot of beta testing.)

 

[mandrake776]

Bugged and unfinished is now the standard for PCRPGs. If Fallout 3 is as stable as this review implies it's not a PCRPG- it can't be.

First some douchebag decides to call it "fallout in name only" and now this!? (I know you're just poking fun)

In all seriousness though, this is my biggest concern with Fallout 3. I can only get the PS3 version and I hope they learned something from the bugginess of Oblivion.

edit: That makes more sense.

 

[God is Dog backwards]

I like the music in the video. Going by this it seems the composer has done a pretty good job.

 

[JESUS]

In all seriousness though, this is my biggest concern with Fallout 3. I can only get the PS3 version and I hope they learned something from the bugginess of Oblivion.

edit: That makes more sense.

It should worry you more the fact that BS releases bugged games and hide the bugs until they hit you in the face, the majority of the bugs are fixed by the community modders, which will be lacking anywhere but the PC (if they release the mod tools).
And what makes more sense is that they will do everything they did wih Oblivion again, since they sold that well and people still trust them after all the RAI lies.

 

[mandrake776]

It should worry you more the fact that BS releases bugged games and hide the bugs until they hit you in the face, the majority of the bugs are fixed by the community modders, which will be lacking anywhere but the PC (if they release the mod tools).

If I had a PC capable of playing it I'd be worried about the hidden bugs, as it is, I'm worried about the lack of patches.

 

[winterraptor]

I think we're all "looking forward" to FINO3 because, as fans, we're the equivalent of a kid in a dysfunctional family who's been put to the side while his mom gets high out in the living room with another of his "uncles". He can't cook for himself- hell, he can't even reach the counter and he's had it drilled into him that he can't go near the fridge OR ELSE. Not that the fridge works...

Awesome analogy, my friend. You did stretch a bit with the fridge reference. Might've been better to say it just never had anything in it anyway.

I'm not personally looking forward to the game, mostly because I don't plan on buying it in any capacity. I suppose I do look forward to seeing it truly ripped for the crap it will be, and no one will have the tired old excuse of 'its not out yet so we can't know for sure! (so everything you say bounces off me and sticks to you!)'

Maybe the dad's luck'll change. Heh.

 

[ookami]

seeing it truly ripped for the crap it will be

Well, I don't expect that to happen in the press/PR until it comes time for them to downplay Fallout 3 and emphasize its flaws in order to hype TES V (which I have a feeling will have a total of 3 skills and a system which just takes you right to the conclusion of every mission/quest). I guess the Bethesda folks rely on the veracity of the saying "there's a sucker born every minute" in order to keep replacing the fans they discard with each new game.

and no one will have the tired old excuse of 'its not out yet so we can't know for sure!

Don't count on it. They'll find something to keep it going.
"You've only played it for 50 hours, give it a fair chance!"
"The mod tools aren't out yet and they're too busy with TES V to support the game right now (ad infinitum), give it a fair chance!"
"The game has only been out for a year and a half/three years/seven years/a decade, give it a fair chance!"
"I'm SURE they'll do better on Fallout 4, give it a fair chance!"

Remember, if you're not just completely giving a benefit-of-the-doubt rimjob to Bethesda (regardless of how little they've earned it), it's always too early to tell.

 

[mandrake776]

(which I have a feeling will have a total of 3 skills and a system which just takes you right to the conclusion of every mission/quest).

Remember, if you're not just completely giving a benefit-of-the-doubt rimjob to Bethesda (regardless of how little they've earned it), it's always too early to tell.

I don't think you'd know the benefit of the doubt if it came up and asked to borrow money after having finished its degree and got a good high paying job.

 

[ookami]

I don't think you'd know the benefit of the doubt if it came up and asked to borrow money after having finished its degree and got a good high paying job.

...and then still half-assed that job as well as screwing up another and working on getting fired from a third. Yeah, I really don't know the benefit of the doubt.

 

[mandrake776]

Yeah, I really don't know the benefit of the doubt.

I couldn't say it any better.

 

[UncannyGarlic]

It is as if we were to blame for Beth's constant inability to listen to what "fans" had to say.

Why do you assume Fallout fans all hate it? This forum is not a microcosm of Fallout fandom, it's the most militant wing.

Where in that statement is there any mention of what fans feel about the game? He talks about the fact that Bethesda did not work with fans or even take any feedback from them (well, they claim to have taken feedback from Oblivion) and you come back by putting words in his mouth and saying that NMA is the most radical group of Fallout fans?

I don't personally think Fallout has been completely blasphemed by Beth, and the choice to make it more available to a general audience, I don't think was a bad one. (to a point of course) Most of the core elements still seem intact, and unless there is a series of things so completely stupid in the final game that we haven't seen yet, I'm going to be happy to play it. As I said before on here: as long as it's as good as Tactics, that's OK. What it actually looks like is a 3D tactics and FO2 hybrid. Kind of interesting.

Note the success of KoTR and the fact that it isn't either a RT nor a FPP game, it's a RTwP TPP game. Also, what about it resembles Tactics beyond disregarding canon?

I just want everyone to give it a chance.

I don't buy products I don't think will satisfy me or that are poor quality and it's foolish to do so. Everyone is giving it a chance, they are using the information available to them to make the most educated decision possible. At this point, most people are near to their final verdict which is whether or not the game is worth buying. Now if Bethesda had demos for their games then I'd be in complete agreement with you, people should at least play the demo before making any final decision about the game but they don't.

There's nothing wrong with anticipating Fallout 3. There's everything wrong with arguing that it is true to the series.

Indeed. It may be a good game in it's own right but it's a failure as a sequel, just as Tactics would have been if it had been labeled and marketed as such.

I really do find it hard to believe that everybody involved in the making of Fallout 3 is a greedy, money grabbing lazy bastard... I just cannot believe that one company would hire people on the basis of there lack of enthusiasm, lazyness and lack of vision. makes no sense.

Indeed. Keep in mind that effort, enthusiasm, and vision are completely separate from ability so someone who is paralyzed from the neck down will never be able to walk again simply through effort and will.

First some douchebag decides to call it "fallout in name only"...

I don't think you'd know the benefit of the doubt if it came up and asked to borrow money after having finished its degree and got a good high paying job.

Yeah, I really don't know the benefit of the doubt.

I couldn't say it any better.

Got oil?

 

[rcorporon]

I'm still semi-excited for the release of FO3, although I worry about being disappointed in the same way that I was disappointed in Oblivion after spending many years in a loving relationship with Morrowind.

Beth promised up MW fans a game that was going to "crush MW in every possible way." I was stoked about radiant AI, the dialogue, the quests, the environments, etc, etc.

When I first got Oblivion I ate it up. Played the shit out of it for a week or so.

Then it started to dawn on me that I wasn't enjoying the game as much as I thought I was. I noticed that I was not looking forward to yet another dungeon crawl to get those stupid crystals. The radiant AI seemed about as smart as that kid with Down's in my grade 7 class.

I also found myself playing more MW than Oblivion.

I think that FO3 is going to probably let me down in the same way. I'll play the shit out of it for a week or two, and then notice all the cracks in the game, until I just go back to FO1 and 2.

However, I still hope that I'm wrong.

 

[ushdugery]

I think it is a bit naive as to the reality of people to assume everyone at bethesda is doing it just for the money. Especially when the developers are the ones who design the content, a job where the outpouring of work you do (at least in the field of games and not programs) isn't in nearly as good a ratio to money you make as in other field. It's my belief that mostly they are well meaning and incompetent with way to much trust in what I believe is an inferior vision to the past fallouts.

 

[UncannyGarlic]

I think it is a bit naive as to the reality of people to assume everyone at bethesda is doing it just for the money. Especially when the developers are the ones who design the content, a job where the outpouring of work you do (at least in the field of games and not programs) isn't in nearly as good a ratio to money you make as in other field. It's my belief that mostly they are well meaning and incompetent with way to much trust in what I believe is an inferior vision to the past fallouts.

Indeed. I really don't blame the developers, they do what they can with their abilities on the project they are assigned to. It's Bethesda (the higher ups) who is responsible for the products they put out and for having the team members they do on staff. Now I'm sure that they have some very talented team members on staff but they also have some employees who, compared to the market, are sub-par, the most clearly visible are the animators.

Regardless this really isn't a productive area of discussion.

 

[Slaughter Manslaught]

To be fair, nowadays your game isn't an RPG for the PC unless it is bugged to hell and back. Fallout 2 was horroficly glitched without the patches, as was Morrowind, Daggerfall, Oblivion, Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines, Vampire the Masquerade: Redemption, Neverwinter Nights (and it's sequel).

Bugged and unfinished is now the standard for PCRPGs. If Fallout 3 is as stable as this review implies it's not a PCRPG- it can't be.

Interplays problem was attempting to 'milk' the franchise with Tactics and BOS. And not putting out stable, finished, unbugged games...

Bugs are pretty annoying, but it's like I saw someone in the Codex say once: Bugs can be fixed. Stupid game design can't be.

 

[mandrake776]

First some douchebag decides to call it "fallout in name only"...

That's a joke, I even pointed out that it was part of a joke in the ellipsised part that you purposefully omitted to make me look like a troll.

I don't think you'd know the benefit of the doubt if it came up and asked to borrow money after having finished its degree and got a good high paying job.

He's complaining about people not giving it the benefit of the doubt while claiming also that FO3 causes cancer.

Yeah, I really don't know the benefit of the doubt.

I couldn't say it any better.

Got oil?

If you can't beat 'em, call 'em names.