Genevawha? (Rant of US "missile assassinations.")

Roshambo

Antediluvian as Feck
Multiple impeachments, please. On grounds of terminal stupidity of international law

[McCain] added, "We apologize, but I can't tell you that we wouldn't do the same thing again."

Get the fuck out of office, war crimes apologist. Now THAT is IRONY! Would it be too tasteless to say that I guess he didn't learn anything from the Viet Cong, at least not on a personal level.? Oh, damn, too late, I said it. Pity, since it seems like some historic reflection would do his attitude some good. You know, Operation Breakfast and a number of other political fuck-ups. Or has he become so disconnected that he believes that Agent Orange is some kind of DJ mixer?

I will have to start the rest of this by saying that the administration and continued war campaign of King George has technically committed an act of war against Pakistan (act of aggression that leads to loss of lives or property), and committed several war crimes along the way. It is also illuminating that several Senators defended this act so carelessly without giving thought as to what this act means on many levels. An unlawful act towards civilians of a country not in conflict and should be held as unlawful civilian casualties as provided for in the Geneva Conventions, and it just adds to the rest of the innocent blood on King George's hands.

Now these idiots think it's not only viable to attempt assassinations with bombs/missiles, but to conduct Operation Wedding Party II, with the same "confirmed intel" that resulted from a few people firing guns into the air a few hours earlier? Oh, wait...it wasn't anything like that. There WAS NO EVIDENCE that the person was there, only that they were planning to be there, and in reality they sent aides instead. The US intel was just information that he was going to visit for dinner for the holidays and the ASSUMPTION that he would be there - that is NOT intel, but it seems to be standard US intel as of late. Kind of like those WMDs, and it can be proven that the empire of King George doesn't think twice before making a mockery of itself and the US, by forgetting simple military procedures that are there for a purpose, because they were designed to adhere with international law. You know, when the US were the good guys.

All of that, out the window, It speaks a lot of things, not one bit about how we have done anything to help the people in Afghanistan (very little), or how about the average American cares about Afghanis (even less), or how the US has fucked over the country since Reagan. And we're supposed to believe that they are doing better in Iraq, because they can put the blame of the conflict's origins on someone else, not re-open the wound of Reagan's questionable policies in Afghanistan with the mujahedeen. Which is now having problems now that Afghanistan is "over" in the US' eyes, and Iraq is the focus of those with weekly media attention spans. As Reagan just died a bit ago, and it wouldn't be PC to spite the dead, so the US media can't really dredge out the facts for those who didn't bother to pay attention to world events 20 years ago; as someone who has served under his bullshit, I'd piss all over his tombstone, if only because he tried to put himself on the same level as the late pope by spending relatively less time talking peace than he did in causing hell for the lives of others in other countries.

So it's now excusable to kill the entire dinner party, including surrounding buildings, at will on foreign soil despite how UN-diplomatic it is because Osama's Number Two is suspected of being there. And King George is a lying sack of shit, again, for claiming we're trying to do things diplomatically maybe not even a week earlier. I think he got the timing wrong, or that he's trying to lie pre-emptively for his war crimes and those likely committed under his orders.

Un-FUCKING-believable. Not only blatant disregard for the Geneva Conventions, it says quite a lot about the "freest country in the world". Methinks the President has mistaken "bombing a village" for "freedom".

It should be interesting to see how King George lies to the face of the Pakistani Prime Minister when he comes to the US. Or to give an explanation, which should be quite rich in itself. "Yeah...we uh...forgot to observe international law to drop bombs on some of your civilians on a suspected lead. Sorry that we didn't even bother to tell you that we were going to bombard the village once the feast started. We swear it was good intel! So what if there were innocents killed regardless if the guy was there or not, we needed to kill that man!"

HUH?!

"These are not people who can be dealt with lightly," Cluelessa Rice said.

"Pakistani civilians, including children, were killed," Shamsi said. "Principles cannot be broken in the name of (fighting) terrorism."

Well, you know what? Since we would bomb an entire village to get one person, then it kind of paints us in the same picture as those who would fly planes of innocents into buildings to make a point. In fact, since the US would be willing to ignore borders, international law, and common fucking political sense, it means that the US NO LONGER RECOGNIZES NATIONAL SOVEREIGNTY, AND WILL KILL INNOCENTS TO FURTHER THEIR AGENDAS. Fuck, they're willing to again do one of the major reasons why the Geneva Conventions were appended to after WWII - because Nazi Germany bombed Britain without care to the populace, only that it might kill some important people while it did so, and because the US previously had dropped bombs that took out entire cities. Thus, it had to be written that civvies can't be put into danger like that.

On top of this, the attack comes on a holy day. Great way for the survivors of the dead to remember the "Feast of Sacrifice". Because of that unethical and immoral attack, I wouldn't be surprised if the White House eats a plane next Christmas or on Superbowl Sunday (arguably the best time to attack the US, given the state of most of the troops not on duty on this day). That would, effectively, be just "tit for tat", since the US lowered itself past the terrorist's level to attack on a holiday during a feast, almost claiming the life of a holy man or two (which would have made it a HELL of a lot worse in many Muslim communities, despite being wanted by the Pakistani govt. for harboring militants). have we fallen this far?

You know what is amusing? That the terrorists could pretty much count on a stupid president giving the okay to invade another country besides Afghanistan, for the stupid "War on" garbage that pretty much established the terrorists as the leaders of Afghanistan since the "War on Drugs".

Now it's twice, and neither president with their "War on" seems to be anything but a glory-hogging moron that puts this country further into debt, politically and fiscally, and I bet this shit is counting on dying before he's held accountable for his mistakes. Like Reagan, who got awawy from being held accountable for what he did by first conveniently forgetting about it (Alzheimer's my ass, he just didn't want to be held accountable), then by dying; in fact, you can probably attribute the majority of hatred for the US in the Mid-East to Reagan, due to his two-faced skullfucking of the region and especially Afghanistan (which you can blame the heroin production in Afghanistan, being the current source of heroin for of most of Europe on President Worm Food as well); King George doesn't have an honestly useless "Tear Down This Wall" to use as a political crutch when he was the person who made the life of those in Afghanistan and other countries further hell, to a point where his speech only tried to absolve him of his own guilty practices in Afghanistan that would make Berlin Wall-era Germany look outright ivilized and happy; Reagan's "War on Drugs" only tried to hide his two-faced schemes to supply the mujahideen with weapons while also funding the whole operation with money made from heroin - a trade going much more strong today, with the aid of his wife's bullshit in the US of "Just say NO!" that didn't present a solution and instead caused family strife as kids would bust parents for marijuana versus anything harder; then those who worship Muslin can thank Reagan for introducing many fucked up interpretations of Islam that in fact spread to other countries, including Iraq.

If we're not careful, the current stupid shit is going to put us into a third World War, one with the Islamic world as one of the key players, because the US has effectively issued a fatwa that means that Islamic holy days and feasts are for US assassination attempts with bombs and missiles. Fuck that.

Heh...they want an apology for the killings, when they know that is the most they could expect from King George. It takes the Speaker to get in trouble, with comparatively less illegal activities, and yet the president can't be held accountable for his war crimes because he's not wholly unpopular and a good portion of this country is in denial that the US flag has been steeped in the blood of the innocent and the blood of patriots, thanks to a tyrant or two. It seems to be that many Americans don't want to see any problem with their country, which might have worked when there was a better administration that didn't have incompetent war profiteering as their apparent main agenda, having failed even more spectacularly on all other possible reasons. Unless it was to send under-equipped and mis-equipped troops to the field, of course. Then they = TEH WIN!
 
Not that I disagree with anything you've said - rather, I agree with you - I should point out that the United States is not a signer of the Geneva conventions (last I knew).
 
From Yahoo! Questions: http://ask.yahoo.com/ask/20020212.html

In the Yahoo! Geneva Conventions category, we found the texts of the four Geneva Convention documents, as well as information about which countries signed them.
The Red Cross movement (later renamed the International Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement) spearheaded the first Geneva Convention in 1864. The purpose of this first treaty was to protect wounded soldiers and those caring for them during times of war. Twelve nations signed the initial document. Over the following decades, more countries agreed to the convention.

In 1882, U.S. President Chester Arthur signed the treaty, making the U.S. the 32nd nation to do so. The U.S. Senate ratified it shortly thereafter. At the same time, the American Association of the Red Cross was formed (many nations had begun to create their own Red Cross organizations in concert with the first Geneva Convention).

The second Geneva Convention in 1907 extended protection to wounded armed forces at sea and to shipwreck victims. The third convention in 1929 detailed the humane treatment of prisoners of war. The fourth convention in 1949 revised the previous conventions and addressed the rights of civilians in times of war. This convention is said to be the cornerstone of modern humanitarian law. It was amended in 1977 with two protocols that further protect civilians during wartime and address armed conflicts within a nation.

According to the Red Cross/Red Crescent, the U.S. has signed each of these international agreements. However, a signature does not bind a nation to the treaty unless the document has also been ratified by that nation (in the U.S., Congress ratifies such treaties). Generally, these treaties are open for signature for a limited time period after they're written. The U.S. ratified all the Geneva Conventions with the exception of the two protocols of 1977.

Please take careful note of the last sentence: "The U.S. ratified all the Geneva Conventions with the exception of the two protocols of 1977." Therefore, as I understand it, the US "signature" of the most recent protocols is a front; it's just for show. I could be wrong, but I believe that means the president is not held accountable by the most recent protocols. Which would mean that there are no legal grounds for his impeachment based on that particular international law, right?
 
Citizen- you are aware that the US is therefore still responsible under the Geneva Conventions if not the 1977 Protocols, ya?
 
Geneva Convention sucks, i mean how can you impose rules of conduct in a war ? (Not that people care) War itself is already a violation :wink:

wonder what will happen if a country breaks the Geneva Convention that they signed earlier. :twisted:

ps: in must admit that the drone used by the US Army rocks !!! It looks so cool, but not very useful though.
 
Of course I am... but the point I raised is definitely valid: I believe it showcases the disdain the US government feels toward the Conventions.
 
S said:
Geneva Convention sucks, i mean how can you impose rules of conduct in a war ? (Not that people care) War itself is already a violation :wink:

wonder what will happen if a country breaks the Geneva Convention that they signed earlier. :twisted:

ps: in must admit that the drone used by the US Army rocks !!! It looks so cool, but not very useful though.

Yes, god forbid that soldiers and countries are forced to abide by rules of behavior.

How much fun would war be if you couldn't go into a village and wipe out a hooch full of gooks (see Mai Lai massacre)

Or take an entire people, gas them and put them in ovens because you don't like their religion...(See Holocaust)

Or poison wells (as was done in malaysia)

Or take care of wounded. (many many wars, though Korean War springs to mind)

Or treat prisoners of war with a certain care... (why treat them when you can kill them, or starve them to death- aka bataan death march)..

Yes, S why try to impose some limits on the complete horror and destruction that human beings have been known to inflict on human beings.

What we really should do is just go Bezerker Viking. Women and Children, dogs and cats, butcher them all.

Or as Kurtz said...
Kurtz: I've seen horrors... horrors that you've seen. But you have no right to call me a murderer. You have a right to kill me. You have a right to do that... but you have no right to judge me. It's impossible for words to describe what is necessary to those who do not know what horror means. Horror. Horror has a face... and you must make a friend of horror. Horror and moral terror are your friends. If they are not then they are enemies to be feared. They are truly enemies. I remember when I was with Special Forces. Seems a thousand centuries ago. We went into a camp to inoculate the children. We left the camp after we had inoculated the children for Polio, and this old man came running after us and he was crying. He couldn't see. We went back there and they had come and hacked off every inoculated arm. There they were in a pile. A pile of little arms. And I remember... I... I... I cried. I wept like some grandmother. I wanted to tear my teeth out. I didn't know what I wanted to do. And I want to remember it. I never want to forget it. I never want to forget. And then I realized... like I was shot... like I was shot with a diamond... a diamond bullet right through my forehead. And I thought: My God... the genius of that. The genius. The will to do that. Perfect, genuine, complete, crystalline, pure. And then I realized they were stronger than we. Because they could stand that these were not monsters. These were men... trained cadres. These men who fought with their hearts, who had families, who had children, who were filled with love... but they had the strength... the strength... to do that. If I had ten divisions of those men our troubles here would be over very quickly. You have to have men who are moral... and at the same time who are able to utilize their primordial instincts to kill without feeling... without passion... without judgment... without judgment. Because it's judgment that defeats us.

Also...
We must kill them. We must incinerate them. Pig after pig. Cow after cow. Village after village. Army after army.

(S- You really are Chinese aren't you. Stop kidding us. You've got that whole "Mao did say that political power comes from the barrel of a gun..." thing going on).
 
citizenkhan said:
Therefore, as I understand it, the US "signature" of the most recent protocols is a front; it's just for show.
Ah, it's just for show. Well, that makes it okay.

Kill as many civilians as you please.
 

(S- You really are Chinese aren't you. Stop kidding us. You've got that whole "Mao did say that political power comes from the barrel of a gun..." thing going on).[/quote]


:shock: that question again,... stop asking me that, it has nothing to do with how i am. I fact i don't even like his revolutions and actions anyway. What he did wasn't of any good apart form retarding the growth and development of Cn. His ideology of communism sucks and quite selfish if you ask me.
In fact i don't like a single bit about communism (except of the idea that it helps to share out wealth)

War is never a good thing, nor should it have regulation to make it a bit more human. The only way to solve the cruelty and violence against the innocent is to not have war at all. Setting up regulations isn't of much use, not like any soldier would give a damn about the rules of war. (the chance are that they will die in action anyway so...) What will prevent a soldier/ person from doing such acts is by educating them
 
citizenkhan said:
I could be wrong, but I believe that means the president is not held accountable by the most recent protocols. Which would mean that there are no legal grounds for his impeachment based on that particular international law, right?

The one where it says that it is highly unethical to use yeast when baking Jews for bread, and to bomb entire cities. ;)

Namely, the one created specifically due to WWII. Please read up on it, as you quoted exactly why King George is such a shit. It was, perhaps, the most important Convention ever written, as it discerned the difference between civilian and army people, and how innocents cannot be used for military leverage or anything of the sort. Many thousands of innocent Iraqis have been killed and put into inhumane conditions, in direct violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention, in Fallujah and a number of other locations in Iraq.

Now, to explain the rules of war to the others. Let's see...it's pretty simple. You fight the other soldiers, and if victorious, hopefully you get to do it again and win to some point where diplomacy doesn't present a solution. You have to show honor and respect your opposite number, as it is also inherently suicidal in combat strategy to do so, and in doing so you do not bring the civilians into the picture, and especially not as extra body counts. (Which is all that the Iraqi people apparently mean to King George, or basically anyone not himself as he sees no problem promising and then lying to prospective troops and new vets about promised benefits on what was a system that did help, much like the health and dental they screwed the Nam vets from by saying that the military had no legal right to promise it and so that part of their enlistment contract is null and void, much like the rest of the current enlistment issues.)

Oh, wait, no, the Pentagon has given standing orders that innocent civilian casualties are not to be reported and documented.

Again, Genevawha?
 
Well, that explains it all. And it also makes it obvious why we never ratified those clauses... they get in the way of empire building.
 
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