Kharn, I'm watching you!
And not through your bathroom window with binoculars.
And not through your bathroom window with binoculars.
Guns
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[PCE]el_Prez
Vault Fossil
no random shot the the head is a gauranteed kill, but a .22 can be and is just as deadly as a larger round such as a 9mm.
Gun controll is as i see it a good thing, reason is if a lot of people has guns more people dies, that simple really. The more guns the more people dies, the reason is that it is so simple to kill with a gun, just point and shot. And in many cases the result is fatal.
I don't know where you got it from that guns lower crime, the fact is it only makes the crime more brutal and dangerous.
I don't know where you got it from that guns lower crime, the fact is it only makes the crime more brutal and dangerous.
Yes Loxley, just like making alcohol illegal during U.S. Prohibition stopped people from drinking, and having illegal drugs has completely solved the U.S.'s drug problem.
Maybe we should make cars illegal too, I mean it wouldn't be too hard to hit the accelerator rather than the brake when those school kids are crossing in front of me.
Maybe we should make cars illegal too, I mean it wouldn't be too hard to hit the accelerator rather than the brake when those school kids are crossing in front of me.
In Croatia every couple of days someone gets killed by gunfire. once an old grandpa got pissed off at his grandson's school, went there with his hunting rifle and killed one kid, his parents and a teacher. another guy came to a courthouse with a pistol, killed the judge, his wife, her lawyer and one of the guards. four years ago some jackass planted dozens of mines all over his village. six people died so far, even more where injured and most mines still haven't been discovered, because they are very cleverly concealed. some years ago a guy in the town of my birth sat in the bar, pulled out a gun, shot himself in the head, and the bullet went through his skull and killed the guy sitting next to him. only a few months later some girl killed her father, her mother and her husband. once an 8 year old kid took his father's pistol and killed his 6 year old (girl)friend. some criminal once tried to kill a guy by firing a rocket from a portable rocket launcher (!!!) at his car. the rocket bounced off of the car and exploded, killing an innocent bystander.
the reason why so many people are shot and blown up in Croatia are countless weapons that remained after the war. in some areas of Croatia almost every person has a gun. police never made any real effort to disarm the citizens, so now dozens of people get killed every year because there are so many guns per capita. so don't you even DARE say that guns should be legalized, or that possesing guns helps prevent crime. that's a bunch nonsense said by someone who doesn't know SHIT about what it feels like to live in fear for your own life. i survived one war and now i'm living in country where every tenth person bears firearms, so i KNOW. imagine walking down the streets of your beloved gun-bearing country and not knowing whether the guy that's walking towards you is about to pull out a gun and end your sorry life. i suggest people like bob the rambler and Tone Capone try USING THEIR HEADS before they start blurting out bullshit like they just did!
and another thing. only a FOOL would say that drugs being illegal doesn't help solve the drug issue. even though drug use is illegal, it's still a great problem. then imagine what would happen if drugs WEREN'T illegal. drug use would go RAMPANT! it's better to have 15% youth addicted to heroine or E than 95%. or perhaps mr. Capone and mr. Rambler would disagree? after all, they seem to be very fond of shooting people in the street, so why not start killing the bastards with drugs as well?
the reason why so many people are shot and blown up in Croatia are countless weapons that remained after the war. in some areas of Croatia almost every person has a gun. police never made any real effort to disarm the citizens, so now dozens of people get killed every year because there are so many guns per capita. so don't you even DARE say that guns should be legalized, or that possesing guns helps prevent crime. that's a bunch nonsense said by someone who doesn't know SHIT about what it feels like to live in fear for your own life. i survived one war and now i'm living in country where every tenth person bears firearms, so i KNOW. imagine walking down the streets of your beloved gun-bearing country and not knowing whether the guy that's walking towards you is about to pull out a gun and end your sorry life. i suggest people like bob the rambler and Tone Capone try USING THEIR HEADS before they start blurting out bullshit like they just did!
and another thing. only a FOOL would say that drugs being illegal doesn't help solve the drug issue. even though drug use is illegal, it's still a great problem. then imagine what would happen if drugs WEREN'T illegal. drug use would go RAMPANT! it's better to have 15% youth addicted to heroine or E than 95%. or perhaps mr. Capone and mr. Rambler would disagree? after all, they seem to be very fond of shooting people in the street, so why not start killing the bastards with drugs as well?
[PCE]el_Prez
Vault Fossil
its my opinion that we can never controll society and the crazy fuckers that live in it. Thats why i own 2 pistols - to look out for myself.
P.S. I use my 2 rifles and shotgun to hunt
P.S. I use my 2 rifles and shotgun to hunt
Gwydion said:
Bah.
The nazis would not have turned around and fled the other way if faced with a gunbarrel.
I hate those stupid theories.
Just because you enable people to stand up to their government with guns, that doesn't mean they WILL.
Besides, Mahatma Ghandi beat the British Empire without gun. The main weapon against opression is humanity, not guns.
Whee! If some homicidal fucker has a gun, to turn him into law-abiding citizen all you have to do is take his gun away? If a person is crazy enough to commit violent murder with a firearm, taking a gun away wouldn't solve the problem. Also, by using the same logic if a mere presence of a gun can turn a person into a killer, then a mere presence of a gun in the hands of his would-be victims will be a deterrent to him from going on a murder spree, no?
It's been said before million times - guns don't kill people, people kill people. All guns do is make it simpler.
It's been said before million times - guns don't kill people, people kill people. All guns do is make it simpler.
Ratty said:
I dare say, Croatians appear to be a bunch of imbeciles who have no respect for a gun. In fact, it appears that Croatians deserve to have their guns taken away from them as if they were little children, because you're obviously mentally unprepared to wield deadly force. Jesus Christ, that's like giving a grenade to a kindergardener! In United States, firearms were legal from Day One, and 99% of the gun crimes are commited by full-time criminals who, on top of that, obtained the guns by illegal means - NOT BY LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS!
Kharn said:
Ever heard of the Warsaw Ghetto uprising? A group of Jews that got their hands on some guns held off the SS for nearly a month.
It's interesting that you bring that up. Ghandi himself said, "Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest."
if a psychopath has a gun, he can kill a dozen people. if he doesn't have a gun he can kill maybe one person and then he would get arrested. your logic is plain stupid. according to it, if there are terrorists in the world, we should arm them with nuclear weapons. after all, they are terrorists with or without the nuclear weapons, so it doesn't matter if they kill a thousand or million people - they will kill someone one way or the other.APTYP said:
I dare say, you appear to be another american bigot who thinks he is better than the rest of the world. Croats have fought a long and hard war, using what little weapons they could obtain. our infantry is one of the most skilled in Europe and our military victory speaks for itself. as for American ability to wield deadly force, i've seen some fine examples of it recently in Iraq. frankly, i don't think firing cruise missiles at your own aircrafts and gunning down your own troops fall under cathegory of skilled weapon wielding. seems to me more like a bunch of untrained kids trying to play war on someone else's playground. and yes, there are imbeciles in Croatia. but there are also imbeciles in US. and intellectual level of your comments leaves an impression that you are one of them.APTYP said:
the fact that firearms are so legal and widespread in your country is nothing to brag about. correct me if i'm wrong, but i believe USA has one of the highest murder rates in the world. 99% of the crimes are committed by full-time criminals, no shit Sherlock. i case you haven't noticed, shooting someone automatically makes you a full-time criminal (or would you rather have murders legalized?) but never mind that, what about that guy who was pissed off because his team lost a baseball match, so he climbed on a water tower and started shooting people with a sniper? or those kids who came to school with machine guns and slaughtered their classmates? should I now say that Americans appear to be a bunch of imbeciles mentally unprepared to wield deadly force? i will not say such a thing because, unlike you, i believe that offending one's nation is a sign of bad manners. real bad manners. and promoting use of firearms and violence as solutions to personal and social problems is a sign of plain idiocy. i'm glad vast majority of your fellow countrymen have different views, because if that weren't so, America (and the whole world, for that matter) would be a sorry place.APTYP said:
Briosafreak
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Guys please tone down the arguments. This should be an interesting discussion between people with different cultural standards and backgrounds, not a cat fight.
Ratty said:
Yes, a psycopath might kill a dozen people, or maybe one of those friendly law-abiding citizens will have a gun of his own and dorp the perp.
That's a pretty rare occurance. Compared to the 2.5 million times per year Americans use guns to defend themselves (according to criminologist Gary Kleck), it's nothing.
When did that happen?
Read the books I recommended.
Ratty said:
The war has gotten the best of you. I bet you wouldn't want to be that 'one person' and rather have a gun with you if you were to meet with that psychopath.
No, dumbass, according to my logic we should prevent the terrorism by removing the cause of it.
That's the first time I've been accused of that!
Most of the anti-american sentiments boils down to envy. But I don't see what American army has to do with legalized firearm possesion. OH WAIT - I DO! If I'm 'just another american bigot', then NOTHING I say makes sense!
I would disagree with you on that, but I would add that the fact that drawing parallels between war-torn country in a region well-known for its violence and a wealthy country with established democratic society speaks volumes of YOUR intellectual level.
Shooting someone does not make you a full-time criminal. I'm talking about gang members, drug dealers, and robbers. Those who go on a murder spree on innocent people because they are mad at something are psychopaths. They are mentally unstable, and legal system in the United States prohibits them from owning a gun. Of course, not everybody enforces it, or even uses good judgement when selling the weapon (yes, I'm talking about gun shows).
These are isolated incidents. Millions of Americans, including women and young adults, own guns and manage not to shoot each other. Ha! Try to ignore THIS fact!
In my opinion capitalist society is incapable of removing conditions that cause drug addictions, crime, and psychosis. Until we have something better here, I'm 100% for legal gun ownership. Remember - if guns were to become illegal, only criminals would own them! Would you want to face an armed criminal with nothing but, say, a taser or a pepper spray?
Let me guess... These fellow countrymen of mine never lived through home invasion and violent robbery? They were never raped, or mugged, or carjacked? They are suburban moms who only see crime on TV?
[PCE]el_Prez
Vault Fossil
ratty, just quiet down before one of us shoots you....hehehe
Ratty, you are wrong. I'm sorry you have so many gun crimes in your country, but did you ever stop to think it might be a product of the culture/history of your country?
For example, I own 7 guns, including an AR-15 with high capacity mags. Total people I've shot to date: 0 (as in zero, zip, nada, none).
Most of the people I know have more guns than people in their immediate family. Number of murderers I know: 0 (as in zero, zip, nada, none).
So... One might ask, what do we use these guns for since we aren't shooting people. Well, hunting (non-human animals), target shooting, plinking (shooting milk jugs, cans, etc...).
My town probably has more guns than people, and since I've lived here (1977) we've had 0 murders with a firearm.
For example, I own 7 guns, including an AR-15 with high capacity mags. Total people I've shot to date: 0 (as in zero, zip, nada, none).
Most of the people I know have more guns than people in their immediate family. Number of murderers I know: 0 (as in zero, zip, nada, none).
So... One might ask, what do we use these guns for since we aren't shooting people. Well, hunting (non-human animals), target shooting, plinking (shooting milk jugs, cans, etc...).
My town probably has more guns than people, and since I've lived here (1977) we've had 0 murders with a firearm.
[PCE]el_Prez
Vault Fossil
what kind of guns you got tone?