Guns

[POOPERSCOOPER]

hey

I can see it now, everyone owns a gun and theres one big traffic jam on a hot summer day pissing alot of people off.

Make your own conclusions.

 

[Gwydion]

Make your own conclusions.

Why bother, when 35 states already have some form of "shall-issue" concealed carry law? An examination of the crime rates of these states before and after reveals that after the passage of shall-issue laws, murders, assaults and rapes all decrease. More Guns, Less Crime. I'm not just plugging the book for the fun of it, people.

 

[Ozrat]

Most of the anti-american sentiments boils down to envy.

Watch what you're saying here. That will get you in some major shit outside of the U.S. of A. Sure, it's a nice fantasy to have, but that only shows that you really have no clue why there is Anti-Americanism in the first place.

Okay, I'm done here. Go back to your gun topic...

 

[Gwydion]

I'm not sure I'd call it envy, but America's position in the world definitely opens them up to a lot of criticism. There are a lot of nations in the world with dealings just as shady and cruel as America, and they don't take half the heat.

 

[bob_the_rambler]

Ratty, you are wrong. I'm sorry you have so many gun crimes in your country, but did you ever stop to think it might be a product of the culture/history of your country?

For example, I own 7 guns, including an AR-15 with high capacity mags. Total people I've shot to date: 0 (as in zero, zip, nada, none).

Most of the people I know have more guns than people in their immediate family. Number of murderers I know: 0 (as in zero, zip, nada, none).

My town probably has more guns than people, and since I've lived here (1977) we've had 0 murders with a firearm.

Damn right more armed citizens less crime.......... look at it this way, the average caught theif with a good lawer can get nothing more than a slapp on the wrist and realesed..........so my mind comes to one logical answer, if the penalty for theift was death by an armed citizen criminals would stop robbing.........just a thought from your average american


another thought.........i own a gun but i have never had the urge to go and start killing.......some of the more stupid people might, but my only inpulse is to protect my family. just a thought<><><><>


i belive guns are nessesary, the human race has evoled along with guns. in a sence "guns and humans grew up together"....though some never grew up, the ones that want gun controll that is, they never could understand that without guns people as a hole would be defenceless.


look at history for one minute, when a government dissarms its population it becomes more volnerable to hostile takeover, say the countrys army was destored...the unarmed population is up for grabs. but if an asshole was to ever attemt to take over the USA not only would there be the army to stop them, there also would be an armed population to face. the USA is not a contry to mess with....not just becuase our army but millions of armed civillians..................I rest my case



from a proud and young citizen of the USA

 

[Ozrat]

i belive guns are nessesary, the human race has evoled along with guns. in a sence "guns and humans grew up together"....though some never grew up, the ones that want gun controll that is, they never could understand that without guns people as a hole would be defenceless.

Eh, I really hope that you are joking here. We evolved with guns? Who/what the hell is your source of information? Really, go back and learn something real next time. Believing that humans can't exist without guns is the funniest thing I've heard in a long time! It seems to me that without guns humans would have a better chance of surviving!

In hopes of avoiding a flame war here, I'm not even going to get started on the rest of that post you did there. It's just as faulty and uninformed as the above paragraph of yours is.

 

[bob_the_rambler]

I wouldn't recommend using rifles in urban or suburban homes - your neighbors just might kill you if the bullet goes through your wall, your kitchen wall, neighbor's wall, and his childrens bedroom wall before making a hole in the fridge and stopping there.

im aware that high powered weopons in urban settings dont mix so instead of that M-16 how about a good old shotgun loaded with 00 buck shot

 

[bob_the_rambler]

i belive guns are nessesary, the human race has evoled along with guns. in a sence "guns and humans grew up together"....though some never grew up, the ones that want gun controll that is, they never could understand that without guns people as a hole would be defenceless.

okay okay so i went a little to far


Eh, I really hope that you are joking here. We evolved with guns? Who/what the hell is your source of information? Really, go back and learn something real next time. Believing that humans can't exist without guns is the funniest thing I've heard in a long time! It seems to me that without guns humans would have a better chance of surviving!


you are right in some ways, yes humans could live without guns
but you would have to get rid of evil and temptation first...........untill then guns are and should be a active player in the game of life


In hopes of avoiding a flame war here, I'm not even going to get started on the rest of that post you did there. It's just as faulty and uninformed as the above paragraph of yours is.

Please dont roast my punctuation, it is hard enough to type one handed and i really dont like being prosicuted for it.
you dont see me calling you a "deaf cunt" now do you

 

[bob_the_rambler]

look at it this way i see your oppinion and i respect that your vews are different than mine, but i am intitilled to my vews they may come a little extrem at times but they are mine


please forgive my punctuation and spelling, my right arm was paralized at birth and a find it hard to type one-handed

 

[«ºTone Caponeº»]

I own:

Ruger P95DC (9mm semi auto pistol)
Browning bolt action .22 (my first gun, got it when I was 8)
Winchester bolt action .243 (my first hunting gun)
Ithaca 20 Gauge shotgun w/full choke
Ruger 10/.22
Winchester Model 94AE lever action rifle (.44 caliber)
AR-15 (M-4 style w/flare launcher) 5.56 NATO (.223)

Pooperscooper:

The scenario you described probably happens on a daily basis.

Also, for you anti-gun people. Did you ever stop to think about illegal imports from Mexico? I was stationed at Fort Bliss (El Paso) TX and there was a severe problem with the Mexican military and law enforcement officials "losing" weapons.

Additionally, Juarez Mexico (right accross the border) had some pretty strict gun laws. Possession of a firearm or ammunition for a firearm would get you thrown in jail (basically a felony down there). Yet, Juarez was pretty much off limits to us soldiers (we could go but had to put in a leave/pass request signed by our commander which rarely happened) because of the high number of murders and drive by shootings. Where were they getting these weapons? Well, evidently the weapons lost by the Mexican authorities were quickly found, and some many of them were brought in from drug cartels (via Columbia).

 

[Gwydion]

Eh, I really hope that you are joking here. We evolved with guns? Who/what the hell is your source of information?

Maybe not guns, but we did evolve with weapons. I think that's his point.

 

[«ºTone Caponeº»]

I wouldn't recommend using rifles in urban or suburban homes - your neighbors just might kill you if the bullet goes through your wall, your kitchen wall, neighbor's wall, and his childrens bedroom wall before making a hole in the fridge and stopping there.

9mm HP to the chest won't go much farther than that, and neither will the intruder (which would be the only reason I'd be firing a weapon in town).

 

[Ozrat]

Allow me to clarify something first of all. When I said that your post was faulty, I was refering to the "facts" that you wrote, not any spelling mistakes that you may or may not have made. Bashing any disability that you might have just ain't my style, as you apparently already have seen.

yes humans could live without guns but you would have to get rid of evil and temptation first...........untill then guns are and should be a active player in the game of life

Once again, wrong. I'd be suprised if you even knew how warfare got started in the first place if you're going to write things like this. Warfare first appeared when humans were first settling into cities thanks to the agricultural revolution. So if you really want to get rid of "evil and temptation", you're going to have to get rid of all the farmers and poloticians in the world.

look at it this way, the average caught theif with a good lawer can get nothing more than a slapp on the wrist and realesed..........so my mind comes to one logical answer, if the penalty for theift was death by an armed citizen criminals would stop robbing

Not exactly. If citizens could deal out death to any criminals they happen upon, how would you know who's the criminal and who's not? Exactly. Yes, the legal system is a bit flawed, but its much better than no centralized justice at all. What you're talking about is anarchy.

look at history for one minute, when a government dissarms its population it becomes more volnerable to hostile takeover

*Sigh* The reason why the forefathers of the USA gave us the right to bear arms is so that way citizens could revolt against an oppresive government that controls them, not for an oppresive outside force! That's what we have the military for! If citzens couldn't bear arms, then how could they protect themselves from an abusive power right at home? That's why we had Waco and Ruby Ridge; they were only excercising their patriotic rights and duties until being overrun by the same power they were against.

from a proud and young citizen of the USA

A little bit TOO young and proud if you ask me... Please, have some background knowledge when you start making claims like these.

 

[«ºTone Caponeº»]

Eh, I really hope that you are joking here. We evolved with guns? Who/what the hell is your source of information?

Maybe not guns, but we did evolve with weapons. I think that's his point.

Weapons are what sets us apart. Ever try to run down a deer (I actually tackled one once when we got it with the headlights), or defend yourself against a cougar with your bare hands?

Well, there are other things that set us apart too, but weapons have really been a key to our survival.

 

[«ºTone Caponeº»]

Not exactly. If citizens could deal out death to any criminals they happen upon, how would you know who's the criminal and who's not? Exactly.

The guy with a sucking chest wound on my front porch dressed in dark clothes with a crow bar he was using to try to pry open my window.

Sorry, but I have a wife and kids and I'm not taking any chances. Anyone who is trying to enter my house illegally is obviously not dropping over for tea, crumpets, and intelligent conversation.

 

[Ozrat]

Weapons are what sets us apart. Ever try to run down a deer (I actually tackled one once when we got it with the headlights), or defend yourself against a cougar with your bare hands?

Well, there are other things that set us apart too, but weapons have really been a key to our survival.

No, weapons have really been a key to humans over-populating the world all around.
Before I get started here, I'm using the word "Human" to describe hominoid evolution over the last two million years. Before we had weapons humans weren't tackling deers or anything. They were scavengers that would eat anything that they could get their hands/paws on. They would go to carcasses and eat the leftover meat still hanging off the ribs and pick the berries from the bushes. Next came the hunters/gatherers, which did use simple stone technology for weapons. These stone weapons were usually stone tools as well so you really can't say that weapons made life easier for humans either: Tools changed the lifestyle of humans at this point and weapons were only a small part of the tools' functions. Later on when agriculture started poping up all around the world is when and only when warfare appeared in humans. Guns were invented to kill humans, not animals. Overall, humans have had stone tool technology for something like one million years at the most, only had warfare for the last 10,000 years, and only had guns for something like 4,000 years as compared to the 2 million years of development that they went through up to now.

Moral of the story: Claiming that humans evolved with guns/weapons or even that they depended on them is absurd and ridiculous. This is not an opinion, but rather hard facts that you can learn in any Anthropology/Archaeology class.

 

[bob_the_rambler]

Not exactly. If citizens could deal out death to any criminals they happen upon, how would you know who's the criminal and who's not? Exactly.

The guy with a sucking chest wound on my front porch dressed in dark clothes with a crow bar he was using to try to pry open my window.

Sorry, but I have a wife and kids and I'm not taking any chances. Anyone who is trying to enter my house illegally is obviously not dropping over for tea, crumpets, and intelligent conversation.

thank you for your post it totally makes sense, unlike some other people




No, weapons have really been a key to humans over-populating the world all around.
Before I get started here, I'm using the word "Human" to describe hominoid evolution over the last two million years. Before we had weapons humans weren't tackling deers or anything. They were scavengers that would eat anything that they could get their hands/paws on. They would go to carcasses and eat the leftover meat still hanging off the ribs and pick the berries from the bushes. Next came the hunters/gatherers, which did use simple stone technology for weapons. These stone weapons were usually stone tools as well so you really can't say that weapons made life easier for humans either: Tools changed the lifestyle of humans at this point and weapons were only a small part of the tools' functions. Later on when agriculture started poping up all around the world is when and only when warfare appeared in humans. Guns were invented to kill humans, not animals. Overall, humans have had stone tool technology for something like one million years at the most, only had warfare for the last 10,000 years, and only had guns for something like 4,000 years as compared to the 2 million years of development that they went through up to now.

Moral of the story: Claiming that humans evolved with guns/weapons or even that they depended on them is absurd and ridiculous. This is not an opinion, but rather hard facts that you can learn in any Anthropology/Archaeology class

you are @#$%^&* outrageious you must be one of those tree huggers, you think your so smart but in the real world im shure your just another hippie (nothin wrong whith smoking pot if thats what your into) but damn your vews are screwed, if people like you ruled there would be total anarchie


and as for my age well you can go to hell
P>S> dont come back

 

[[PCE]el_Prez]

Guns have evolved over history. From flintlock muskets of pre-american revolution, to muzzle loaders w/ rifling of the American Civil War. WWI brought the first complete round (Casing, powder, bullet) and the machine gun. WW2 brought extremely accurate rifles like the Garand and the germand mauser along with one man support weapons such as the BAR. It was also the first time a sub machine gun such as the thompson was used on the battlefield. Vietnam through our current little scuffle with iraq has been the era of the m16, the m4A1, the m60 and so on.

So you see, guns have evolved. Humans on the other hand.....

 

[bob_the_rambler]

Without guns humans would have over populated, war is nessicary 80% of the time (though in Viet Nahm war was not appropriate)
without war and guns there would be no change, maddmen would rule but instead of using guns they would use spears.

and then what you would cry for, spear controll???

and after that knive controll???

and after that fork controll???

the list can go on and on

humans have other ways of killing eatch other, guns are just my preferance. for example i own a very extesive knive collection and i know how to use them and i dare you to trie and take them from me

the people with the weopons survive and the protesters die, thats all there is to it

 

[bob_the_rambler]

el_Prez]Guns have evolved over history. From flintlock muskets of pre-american revolution, to muzzle loaders w/ rifling of the American Civil War. WWI brought the first complete round (Casing, powder, bullet) and the machine gun. WW2 brought extremely accurate rifles like the Garand and the germand mauser along with one man support weapons such as the BAR. It was also the first time a sub machine gun such as the thompson was used on the battlefield. Vietnam through our current little scuffle with iraq has been the era of the m16, the m4A1, the m60 and so on.

So you see, guns have evolved. Humans on the other hand.....

its the gun controll junkies that have'nt evoled they still live in the dark like animals