Isn't it a tad unfair..

[Sir Tinkles-Worth the II]

To get so viscerally upset about the change in a franchise without actually having seen any real information? What if Fallout 3 turns out to be incredibly amazing? Doesn't Bethesda, who's made some great games, deserve a chance?


I guess I'm just trying to understand why people get so upset over something that might, in a larger picture, be so trivial.

 

[Brother None]

Wrong forum. Moved.

And as for the topic; that's what people were saying before the previews. And you can go on saying it until the release. It's a pointless argument. We're criticizing now because now is a point where criticism can still have an impact.

Also, we're criticizing stuff we know, unless Bethesda is planning to wave a magic wand and make the game TB/iso anyway

 

[dmastri]

I agree that some of the hate I've seen on this forum is extreme. But hey, that's the internet.

In regards to being so critical on this game, the previews have nice graphics but the direction they are taking this game seems flawed. They have made good stuff in the past, I'll give you that, but they've also made, what I deem to be, questionable design decisions in the past.

Oblivion had serious potential, except for the leveling/balance BS ruining it. What is the point of leveling up if everything else levels up with me? There's something very disturbing about being a lvl 20 character or whatever and getting put down by a townguard whose sporting expensive glass armor.

And the console interface was a let down. Does it seriously cost that much money to pretty the interface up for PC to make it not clunky? Especially in an RPG where inventory/skill management is a huge part of it, why restrict PC players to an interface designed for an Xbox360 controller?

 

[Iendicis]

SOME of the hate is crazy, otherwise, I agree with it.

Fallout was an iso TB game. Bethesda made a FPS game out of it, regardless of the fan's wishes, which is what they have done with every franchise they have had. Oblivion was a fun game, to be sure, but it was also very far removed from the original concept of Elder Scrolls: complex, geeky, rogue-type FPS.

Sure, they could make a great game, but it wouldn't be Fallout. It would be what sells the most. Is it so much that we don't know about this info that's pouring in, but that our outlook is grim?

I mean, I'm completely for the poor gaming press...they don't bash games in their previews. They just don't do it anyway. There's no reason to hate on the press.

Go read the post "Don't believe the hype." It explains a lot.

 

[Black]

To get so viscerally upset about the change in a franchise without actually having seen any real information?

You mean you're just a poor soul who hasn't seen any previews and screenshots? Poor guy.

What if Fallout 3 turns out to be incredibly amazing?

If some people would just read NMA forums, they'd know that's not the case... It's not about it being good or not, it's about FO3 being 'Fallout' at all.

Doesn't Bethesda, who's made some great games, deserve a chance?

Um, great games, I know they made very good Daggerfall but I don't recall any other great games...

I agree that some of the hate I've seen on this forum is extreme. But hey, that's the internet.

And some positive thinking I saw on TES forums is extreme too.
Even this guy said "What if Fallout 3 turns out to be incredibly amazing?"
Well, what if Fallout 3 turns out NOT to be incredibly amazing or even good? As he said, we know nothing!
I always find optimists knowing nothing complaining about pesimists knowing as much pathetic.

 

[Sorrow]

Err...
That guy seems to be a part of a bigger group that just invaded our forum.

 

[Brother None]

That guy seems to be a part of a bigger group that just invaded our forum.

Yeah, we know, we even know where they're from.

 

[Firov]

That guy seems to be a part of a bigger group that just invaded our forum.

Yeah, we know, we even know where they're from.

Where are they from? The way you say that, it almost sounds like you are accusing them of being hired Bethesda PR reps. Though I might have misinterpreted your statement.

 

[Brother None]

Where are they from? The way you say that, it almost sounds like you are accusing them of being hired Bethesda PR reps. Though I might have misinterpreted your statement.

Heh, no, they're from a trolling site, just a bunch of guys that decided to "invade" NMA, nothing to do with Bethesda.

 

[dmastri]

Ya'll got blown up on SA.

That's where I'm from.

Though I'm not here to judge. I understand SA picked out the worst posts they could find - which, let's be honest, are rather extreme. I especially enjoyed the "I slapped my girlfriend and dumped her for asking me whats wrong with Fallout 3..."

Anyways, I came here because I felt the same way most of you do after reading the latest Fallout preview in GI last month and was just curious about your community here.

So far so good.

 

[Brother None]

Oh, well, these guys aren't from SA, I think. I'm not linking back to where they are from because that's cross-site trolling, which is against our rules

Yeah, SA has hated us for eons. We don't really bother ourselves about it, to be really honest. There's a good thread on the topic debunking that SA article on the Codex, though.

You're welcome to post here and share your thoughts. We're not really concerned with where people are from, just with how they behave.

 

[Sander]

Ya'll got blown up on SA.

That's where I'm from.

Though I'm not here to judge. I understand SA picked out the worst posts they could find - which, let's be honest, are rather extreme. I especially enjoyed the "I slapped my girlfriend and dumped her for asking me whats wrong with Fallout 3..."

I can't believe anyone actually took that seriously, though.

But hey, SA exists to make fun of other sites. It's all they do, and while they seem to have it in for us for a rather silly reason, whatever. It's a comedy site. Taking them seriously is pretty ridiculous.

 

[Sorrow]

Though I'm not here to judge. I understand SA picked out the worst posts they could find - which, let's be honest, are rather extreme. I especially enjoyed the "I slapped my girlfriend and dumped her for asking me whats wrong with Fallout 3..."

That's my favourite too - it was pretty hilarious, when he have posted it . Too bad they didn't quote my post where I congratulated the guy and called him a true patriot .

 

[Cookie]

I would say being somewhat wary of Bethesda was justified considering their last "RPG" was merely a X-Box port aimed at preteens. It's single redeeming feature was its combat system. There was little reward for exploration beside visiting its several dozen alike caves; the main quest was merely the same boring oblivion dungeon repeated and NPC leveling was one of the worst decisions I ever found.

That being said Beth have already stated that Fallout 3 will not have the abysmal npc leveling feature. I just hope they learned from their past mistakes.

 

[dmastri]

Oh, well, these guys aren't from SA, I think. I'm not linking back to where they are from because that's cross-site trolling, which is against our rules

Yeah, SA has hated us for eons. We don't really bother ourselves about it, to be really honest. There's a good thread on the topic debunking that SA article on the Codex, though.

I'm not here to argue this point, but I think that thread is misguided. SA is a humor site. I don't believe they posted the WeekendWeb as some type of vendetta, but rather because some of those posts were truly golden. And I REALLY don't think, as that thread implies, SA is somehow being influenced by Bethesda...

Think about how crazy that sounds?!

Is there proof that Bethesda has made underhanded moves against this forum in the past? Sounds too much like conspiracy radio for my liking.

 

[Black]

I don't care what site is SA, but there was a guy who actually read about 'slapping a girl for not understanding what's the deal with Fallout' seriously...

 

[SuAside]

SA is a humor site. I don't believe they posted the WeekendWeb as some type of vendetta, but rather because some of those posts were truly golden.

they're also out of context and more often than not posted by rather uninfluencial people on the boards.

but for some reason they do keep trying to start flamewars and trollwars over & over again with NMA. but whatever, we dont care.

And I REALLY don't think, as that thread implies, SA is somehow being influenced by Bethesda...

Think about how crazy that sounds?!

i doubt anyone on this forum (or at least amongst the mods or admins) would think bethesda has any hand in what SA does.

Is there proof that Bethesda has made underhanded moves against this forum in the past? Sounds too much like conspiracy radio for my liking.

this forum? not really. mostly just badly handled community communications. (the scans stuff, the fact of inviting websites that have but a fraction of the traffic NMA pulls to demonstrations, a very bad overall cooperation (we offered to help them out with the canon etc),...)

however, dont be naive, Bethesda is no angel... you should look up on how they treated the biggest Star Trek gamewebsite in the world after they stated what they thought about Beth's Star Trek game. it's an interesting read.

 

[Sander]

I'm not here to argue this point, but I think that thread is misguided. SA is a humor site. I don't believe they posted the WeekendWeb as some type of vendetta, but rather because some of those posts were truly golden. And I REALLY don't think, as that thread implies, SA is somehow being influenced by Bethesda...

It is true that they pretty much worship any developer that posts there, though.

Think about how crazy that sounds?!

Is there proof that Bethesda has made underhanded moves against this forum in the past? Sounds too much like conspiracy radio for my liking.

Well, they *did* demand we remove magazine scans while other sites (to this day even) did not get those demands (or ignored them, which is highly unlikely) and we did not get an invite to any kind of press junket, while sites with less than a quarter of our traffic did.
I personally think it's clear that Bethesda doesn't hold much love for us. But I don't think they've enlisted SA to vilify us. That's probably just SA by itself.

 

[dmastri]

however, dont be naive, Bethesda is no angel... you should look up on how they treated the biggest Star Trek gamewebsite in the world after they stated what they thought about Beth's Star Trek game. it's an interesting read.

I know.

I was a member on that forum when the shit hit the fan. Left a very sour taste in my mouth, especially considering how f'ing awful that game was, even with all the hype and acting talent involved.

But I had strong suspicions that the game was going to be bad. I've never liked anything Mad Doc has done; bunch of crap.

 

[P-Funk]

I don't know about all this SA stuff,
But on the topic of whether or not it is unfair to get viscerally upset without having seen etc...

First off: I used to lurk here occasionally and look down on you guys, thinking you just couldn't stand change and mentally comparing your reactions to my Grandfather's reaction to "those damn computer things." But don't jump to conclusions, read on.

The last RPG I had played when I read about FO3 was Oblivion, which was decently fun for me, and lead me to be excited to hear about FO3. So I decided to go back and play FO1 and 2 in preparation, as it had been a few years since I played them last. I am currently playing them, and the more I play, the less I look forward to FO3, and the more I grow to empathize with what I used to think of as whining on this board. They may or may not be making a fun game, but they are NOT making FO3. I have played the FO games many times over the years, and yet I have not been so glued to any game as I am now since... I imagine last time I played them. As I rediscover the amazing experience that is FO, I realize that it simply cannot be recreated in the game Bethesda is making.

I cannot decide if this is salient information in the context of this post, for the intrinsic reasons that will soon be revealed, but here it goes. I feel that it should be noted that I obtained a head injury in 2004 resulting in a pretty decent case of amnesia. The end result is that I remembered THAT I played FO many times, and THAT I loved it, but I did not remember actually PLAYING it, or any details about it.
This is why replaying the game has been so especially transformative to my opinion of FO3.

So, anyway, apologies for my silent judgement, and sign me up to be a pessimist (contract not to expire at least until release).