Legion/BoS war (Expect spoilers)

Faceless Stranger

Faceless Stranger

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So, let's say the Legion ending is canon, what happens to the Brotherhood? If the Legion were to wage war with the Brotherhood of Steel, how do you think it would turn out? The Legion has superior numbers, but they are mostly armed with melee and small caliber weapons. The Brotherhood on the other hand, is sporting Power Armor and energy weapons...
 
The Legion also seems to be very adapt at non conventional warfare.

The events that took place at Camp Searchlight for example, or using wounded troops to draw allies to mines.

Or the mentioned case in which a child was used to lure NCR rangers and then place a live grenade near them.
 
True, but they don't seem that well equipped for total-war, which is what the Brotherhood is equipped for. How well would The Fort hold up against an entire platoon of Paladins?
 
The Legion enjoys superior numbers but there would be many losses should the BOS unleash their might on the Legion.

While I could somewhat understand Caesar's reasoning at not using robots or super weapons, I still find it absurd that he would not have some troops armed with heavy or even energy weapons.

He knows there are organizations out there, not to mention Super Mutants that use such weapons, and robots.

The whole 'wanting to do it on their own' thing got a little stupid here.
 
The Dutch Ghost said:
The Legion enjoys superior numbers but there would be many losses should the BOS unleash their might on the Legion.

While I could somewhat understand Caesar's reasoning at not using robots or super weapons, I still find it absurd that he would not have some troops armed with heavy or even energy weapons.

He knows there are organizations out there, not to mention Super Mutants that use such weapons, and robots.

The whole 'wanting to do it on their own' thing got a little stupid here.
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Thins somewhat was a very strange point when I reached the camp ... you konw when he talks with you about that bunker he tried to open and "I dont know what kind of weapon it is, super big robot, super big weapon yada yada yada ... but I want YOU to destroy it !".

Heh ... and people are surprised the Legion loost the battle at the Dam.
 
Honestly, I think there should have been units/squads or whatever they were called in ancient Rome and Caesar's Legion, that are armed with said heavy and energy weapons in order to deal with those enemies that can slaughter basic recruits and Legionnaires with ease.

Showing that people are willing to kill themselves for you in battle is one thing, having them die needlessly is another.
 
I f "I" was the high-elder, I'd ally myself with the Legion, salvage all the advanced tech the NCR had been hoarding after their defeat, then turn on the Legion and slaughter them all, leaving everything pretty much how it was in Fallout...
 
Or just wait until some contagious disease wiped them all out.

The Legion seemed pretty minimalistic when it came to medicine.
They probably know the basics of quarantine but as they do not seem to believe in curing, only preventing and letting the sick die, sooner or later some bug is bound to get them.
 
It's like the Legion is doomed to die out one way or another, I'd like to see a machete-armed legionaire atempt to take on a minigun-wielding Super Mutant...
 
Faceless_Stranger said:
It's like the Legion is doomed to die out one way or another, I'd like to see a machete-armed legionaire atempt to take on a minigun-wielding Super Mutant...
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In the Van Buren documents the Legion was still tribal enough that they saw Ghouls as sick or evil spirits and Super Mutants as demons made flesh.

I think a Legion attack on Black Mountain or Jacobstown would cost the Legion many members if they continued with the strategy they pursue now.

Honestly Caesar should have taken the time to train and equip Legionnaires to deal with threats that are beyond the scope of regular forces.

Had the NCR access to nerve gas (I am sure the BOS can manufacture it) the Legion would be in great trouble.
 
Heh, you hint to a good point there: Imo, the factions lost a lot of their "tribal"-esque feeling. It was said that the four casinos on the strip have been tribals before House "took care" of them. But I can't see a single bit tribal stuff in them. Not even in the Legion I can see tribal influences and seriously.. if one is going to take over lots of tribes, I can hardly believe, all of their culture would vanish that fast and they begin to talk like smart asses with basic latin lesson knowledge.
 
In various ways the Legion in Van Buren seemed to be more advanced than the one we got in FNV.

At one side they were more tribal but they traded with the Ghouls at the Reservation for modern weapons, ammo, and armor, they used gas masks and knew to use dog repellent when in Denver.
 
[spoiler:580923f7f6]The Legion in FNV wanted to trade with the Van Graffs for energy weapons. [/spoiler:580923f7f6]

But yeah, it once more shows, that the VB story (or "lore"?)felt better, because of it's scale. You just can't really do all this stuff in such a small gameworld that is FNV.
 
The Brotherhood wouldn't stand a chance against the Legion. True, the powered armour is a strong asset, but its availability is limited, paladins are very few and far in between and they've already lost a war with the NCR. Even if every paladin manages to take fifty legionaries with him, there are plenty more waiting to enter the fight and reserves in Arizona.

That's assuming that they'd go for an honourable battle up front. Most likely, they'd simply send a squad of the frumentarii to destroy their water and food supply, destroy the entrances, create traps for power armoured troops, all echoing the Chinese counters to American T-51s over two centuries ago.

The Legion isn't mindless nor is it primitive in its tactics. Yes, they are extremely Darwinistic in their shunning of medicine and brutal in their treatment of legionaries, but they aren't stupid. Caesar's preparing well for his second battle and that includes securing artillery support, a diversion in New Vegas, securing a safe Colorado crossing by eliminating Searchlight and eroding morale in Nelson and Nipton. They aren't going to attack a well-entrenched and confident enemy, they will demoralize and weaken him first before attacking from all directions. For instance, at the Dam, apart from the brunt of the attack along the rim, there are lots of forces going in through the drainage pipes and lower parts of the installation.

Last, two other points:

1. Lack of tribal identity is explained. Caesar is very thorough when it comes to eradicating former identity. It's already been proven in history that it can be done, the more ruthless the means, the easier it is.
2. I seriously doubt that the Brotherhood has the ability to create and safely store any chemical weapons for extended periods of time. Apart from their uselessness outside the most extreme of situations, such as terror attacks against major cities, the very presence of such a weapon is an extreme danger in the confined spaces of each chapter's bunker.
 
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