Ugly John
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
seems that they knew it even as far back as WWII
Look at what I found
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So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
seems that they knew it even as far back as WWII
Daemon Spawn
Old Warrior of the Wastes
MS Paint pwns photoshop.
Saint_Proverbius
Vault Senior Citizen
I'm still happy it's dead.
Demostrike
Still Mildly Glowing
Happy F3 is dead?
Photoshop rules paint if you know how to use it.
Photoshop rules paint if you know how to use it.
Saint_Proverbius
Vault Senior Citizen
Gameshark said:
Yup. Two combat systems in one game never works well. Stripping all the combat skills down to just two skills, or was it three? Interplay execs forcing coop multiplayer in to the game when that gimps the quest design. Super cool space bases with nuclear missiles, even though that's a bit beyond the technology of the Great War. Did I mention the Troika vs. BIS Battle Royale random encounter - how lame is that? Controllable party members.
All brought to you by developers who think playable races like Supermutants and Ghouls in Fallout would be kewl!
Ugly John
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
I agrre with you SP it's better dead than in the hands of interplay.
Demostrike
Still Mildly Glowing
Alright I think i agree with you...I've been away for a while so I didn't know so much as that.
Kindo
Still Mildly Glowing
All game series are going crapola. I don't know about you guys, but I've been a huge fan of Final Fantasy- and Thief-series. Both of those are completely farked up now. What ever happened to keeping it real?
Mad Larkin
It Wandered In From the Wastes
*Grabs Kindo by the lapels*
THIEF? They wouldn't dare fuck up THIEF?!?!
Tell me you are joking!
THIEF? They wouldn't dare fuck up THIEF?!?!
Tell me you are joking!
Saint_Proverbius
Vault Senior Citizen
Kindo said:
No, Final Fantasy has always sucked. You're just getting old and wise enough to have figured this out.
But really, think about it. Fallout was post apocalyptic. A post apocalyptic setting doesn't really lend itself well to a series of CRPGs in this day and age where the ph4t l3wt needs to get ph4tt3r with each sequel. There really shouldn't be too many people pumping out new power armors and new kill-o-zap weapons yet each new incarnation of Fallout seems to have had mega-new ph4t l3wt. There shouldn't be a heavy MARCH OF TECHNOLOGICAL PROGRESS. If there is, well.. That post apocalyptic flavor is kaput.
It's something that can be done once, maybe twice.. But after that, it's just gone.
Kindo
Still Mildly Glowing
To Mad Larkin:
They're messing around with it, at least. I'm sure you know a Thief 3 is in the making. First of all, it gets released on XBOX (I hate PC games getting to consoles..just look at FOBOS), and they've chosen the incredibly crappy name "Deadly Shadows" for it. YUK! You'll also get the choice of playing in 3rd person persective, which completely ruins the Thief:y feel of the game (it's optional, but still crap). Garret's cloak is removed, and he runs around in some tight-ass leather spand-ex. Aah, there's lots of things. Check out TTLG forums and read up on some stuff there. It doesn't seem to be as incredibly fucked up as Fallout or Final Fantasy, but you still see the tendency. I think T: DS will be a big disappointment for us fans. They're trying to appeal to the console-gaming audience. Just like FBOS did.
Oh, almost forgot... Wall climbing-gloves!
Anther link for archived news and press releases regarding T: DS - http://www.thief-thecircle.com/t3/
To SP:
No, it's true. I really really love the old games. FF6 and FF7 being my favourites. But all the games from FF10 and onwards are utter crap.
They're messing around with it, at least. I'm sure you know a Thief 3 is in the making. First of all, it gets released on XBOX (I hate PC games getting to consoles..just look at FOBOS), and they've chosen the incredibly crappy name "Deadly Shadows" for it. YUK! You'll also get the choice of playing in 3rd person persective, which completely ruins the Thief:y feel of the game (it's optional, but still crap). Garret's cloak is removed, and he runs around in some tight-ass leather spand-ex. Aah, there's lots of things. Check out TTLG forums and read up on some stuff there. It doesn't seem to be as incredibly fucked up as Fallout or Final Fantasy, but you still see the tendency. I think T: DS will be a big disappointment for us fans. They're trying to appeal to the console-gaming audience. Just like FBOS did.
Oh, almost forgot... Wall climbing-gloves!
Anther link for archived news and press releases regarding T: DS - http://www.thief-thecircle.com/t3/
To SP:
No, it's true. I really really love the old games. FF6 and FF7 being my favourites. But all the games from FF10 and onwards are utter crap.
TheTreasoner
First time out of the vault
Dude, you're kidding right? FFVII is the most overrated game ever.
FFX was okay. I hope FFXII, being in Ivalice (Final Fantasy Tactics and Tactics Advance are both there, and those two games were awesome) and I think made by the same team as the Tactics games, will be better.
Metroid is still going great though, Fusion was decent, but other than that all of the others are awesome, especially with Zero Mission being released.
FFX was okay. I hope FFXII, being in Ivalice (Final Fantasy Tactics and Tactics Advance are both there, and those two games were awesome) and I think made by the same team as the Tactics games, will be better.
Metroid is still going great though, Fusion was decent, but other than that all of the others are awesome, especially with Zero Mission being released.
TheTreasoner said:
Well, FFVII had one thing going for it that all the previous ones didn't - you didn't have a random encounter every two steps. I really couldn't play the other games because every five seconds I was getting in another random battle. I don't know what the hell they were thinking with that, but it got so frustrating in each game that FF7 is the only one I've been able to finish. Anyway, I'd say that VIII is the most overrated ever - everyone loves that game, no one bashes it, its gameplay and setting were pretty awful, and has the worst, gayest characters ever.
I haven't played a console RPG since I got a PC (back in the PS1 days), and I don't miss them. I recently got a Gamecube - I like it, but I just can't get into console games anymore after playing PC games.
Ugly John
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
On the gamecube, i enjoy the Zeldas and i am now playing Starfox Adventure.
I rememberr playing FF on my original gameboy, but i don't remember which one it was, it was fun, kept me busy between classes in college.
I rememberr playing FF on my original gameboy, but i don't remember which one it was, it was fun, kept me busy between classes in college.
I totally agree with Saint_P. about that "mega-new ph4t l3wt" issue. Fallout was all about surviving in the wastes and scavenging for remnants from the former civilization. Like other great games, it was all about the story. Nowadays it seems like all that matters is "online-mainstream-streamlined-actionpacked-blockbusters". I really can't see Fallout in that category. The days of great games are gone, and now were stuck with console-hell.
DeusEx2, Fallout:BOS, etc... what is happening?
DeusEx2, Fallout:BOS, etc... what is happening?
Final Fantasy Mystic Quest was the game on the gameboy. It was not only the easiest Final Fantasy but arguably the worst one ever conceived. Not a reflection on you personally, just an observation. It was also the prequel to Secret of Mana I think.
You don't hear many complaints about Final Fantasy VIII for the same reason you don't hear many cheers about it. It just was...not good, not bad, just passable. Most people who hate Final Fantasy hate it because it's Final Fantasy. Most people who love Final Fantasy love it because it's Final Fantasy. I'm one of the moderates. FFX was a beautiful game, FFVI was a masterpiece, FFVII was overrated, FFI was pretty crappy, FFII was interesting but too damn hard (at least when I played it), FFIX was just plain fun, and I've never played FFVIII and FFXI.
Back on Fallout. The technology of the Great War included genetic engineering, robotics, ray guns, lasers, nuclear missiles, cybernetic biological splicing, and spaceships, but not space stations with nuclear missiles? Where do you get that from?
Even if you made the argument about technology revolving around the science of the 1950's but going in a different direction, the Russians were launching satellites into space in the 1950's and the Space Race was the most perceptible example of the Capitalist vs. Communist conflict of the time. To say that space has no place in a game that revolves around the nuclear Cold War paranoia of the 1950's means you know very little about that time period.
So, space stations=1950's sci-fi. Nuclear missiles=1950's paranoia. Space stations firing nuclear missiles=1950's sci-fi paranoia.
You don't hear many complaints about Final Fantasy VIII for the same reason you don't hear many cheers about it. It just was...not good, not bad, just passable. Most people who hate Final Fantasy hate it because it's Final Fantasy. Most people who love Final Fantasy love it because it's Final Fantasy. I'm one of the moderates. FFX was a beautiful game, FFVI was a masterpiece, FFVII was overrated, FFI was pretty crappy, FFII was interesting but too damn hard (at least when I played it), FFIX was just plain fun, and I've never played FFVIII and FFXI.
Back on Fallout. The technology of the Great War included genetic engineering, robotics, ray guns, lasers, nuclear missiles, cybernetic biological splicing, and spaceships, but not space stations with nuclear missiles? Where do you get that from?
Even if you made the argument about technology revolving around the science of the 1950's but going in a different direction, the Russians were launching satellites into space in the 1950's and the Space Race was the most perceptible example of the Capitalist vs. Communist conflict of the time. To say that space has no place in a game that revolves around the nuclear Cold War paranoia of the 1950's means you know very little about that time period.
So, space stations=1950's sci-fi. Nuclear missiles=1950's paranoia. Space stations firing nuclear missiles=1950's sci-fi paranoia.
SubZenith said:I totally agree with Saint_P. about that "mega-new ph4t l3wt" issue. Fallout was all about surviving in the wastes and scavenging for remnants from the former civilization. Like other great games, it was all about the story. Nowadays it seems like all that matters is "online-mainstream-streamlined-actionpacked-blockbusters". I really can't see Fallout in that category. The days of great games are gone, and now were stuck with console-hell.
DeusEx2, Fallout:BOS, etc... what is happening?
Partially right, but even Fallout 1 still had way more stuff than I would have expected. I understand the need to keep things from being so rare you really can't find them but there really wasn't much of a point about conserving things like ammunition and stimpaks because both were plentiful enough.
In the IPLY forums, when it was suggested that ammo be reduced, there was a majority outcry from FO fans that there was the perfect amount right now.
Now, as someone who has had to sell 500 rounds of 5mm every few hours, I have to say that the fact that so much ammo was lying around...did absolutely nothing to my opinion on the setting. Suspension of disbelief, I guess.
Although, if the game revolved around spears and rocks and crossbows, then I think that would have been a plus.
Now, as someone who has had to sell 500 rounds of 5mm every few hours, I have to say that the fact that so much ammo was lying around...did absolutely nothing to my opinion on the setting. Suspension of disbelief, I guess.
Although, if the game revolved around spears and rocks and crossbows, then I think that would have been a plus.
DarkCorp
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
Ammo amount should be related to the source. I mean even after a nuclear holocaust, regular ammo can still be civillian made, granted they found the specific equipment to manufacture said ammunition.
The key is to keep plentiful supplies of hard to find ammo with groups that would understandably have access to. Like the Brotherhood could make 7.62, 5.56, small and micro fusion cells, etc ,etc, because they are situated in military facilities designed to be self-sufficient during times of war.
The key is to keep plentiful supplies of hard to find ammo with groups that would understandably have access to. Like the Brotherhood could make 7.62, 5.56, small and micro fusion cells, etc ,etc, because they are situated in military facilities designed to be self-sufficient during times of war.