Mod Idea: Scrapheap Integration and Necropolis fix

Uncle Phosgene said:
Also just a headcanon, but going off what's mentioned in game with the bits of dialogue they didn't cut in Shady Sands and Junktown(describing them as East and North respectively) plus the explanation of the BOS wiping them out Obsidian came up with later and the general vibes, I assume the Viper HQ(The Pit I think?) would have been in the mountains southwest of Vault 13 and north of Lost Hills. Would have probably also served to deter players from bumrushing west with stronger random encounters
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That's where I put them on my mapping project a long time ago.
 
Putting Scrapheap after Junktown or any other fully devellopped town would be a big disapointment as the location is pretty barebone. Putting aside the low difficulty ranking, the location serves to introduce the fact that you could pick a side and some other gameplay bits. It's essentially a tutorial. It could be there as soon as you leave vault 13, but it may fit better as a step to access vault 15, as the latter location is also pretty barebone. The fusion of those two locations would create a medium one that would introduce several gameplay concepts, without disturbing the regional conflict, and it wouldn't happen after you were already fed a lot of bigger content. But i prefer it to remain self-contained, either within the demo or through FeelTheRads mod.
 
That's a great idea! And maybe rework the top-side Vault 15 map so that it is harmonised with the version that is seen in Fallout 2. Scrapheap should be redone visually anyway as it is far to similar to Junktown in appearance.
 
Just flesh Scrapheap out a bit more, differentiate it slightly from Junktown, and stick with @Uncle Phosgene 's original idea. How hard is it to imagine that another town built from scrap would exist in the wasteland? In fact, on my first play through I thought every town would be very similar to Junktown, and was surprised when the Hub, for example, was not. It's a wasteland filled with pre-war junk. That's what survivors would use to build their shelters and towns.
 
While Junktown is definitely pretty similar, It's not an exact match. Junktown exists in the world of the demo it's mentioned.

I also didn't mention one of the guys(can't remember if it's the guards working for a gang or the peasents who want them both gone) offers to give you directions to Necropolis. (Which would be moved to Bakersfield as it exists in universe and where the 'NESW' directions characters give you and the Mutant Invasion suggests it is). So that would be added, you get the map marker for Necropolis if you complete the Scrapheap quest. I guess a backup option if you ignore the Merchants.

Plus Dogmeat would be moved there so Junktown doesn't have two companions.

Difficulty curve wise it seems fine, slightly harder than The Hub(albeit the Hub has a pretty wide curve) and easier then the Super Mutant fight in Necropolis or beyond. Closest is probably the Liberation of Adytum in difficulty. Seems all about correct, there's one or two minigun guys, but they don't have the best armor and limited ammo, harder than the mooks in Junktown or most of The Hub, easier than the Super Mutants.

Sort of like the Khans Camp in a way. Both are harder than what's immediately around them, but not by a ton or anything, both are combat centric, and both warrant some neat rewards. A combat focused build and a competent player can handle the Khans after Shady Sands and Vault 15, a less fighting centric character may talk their way out or come back after they've reached The Hub. Like I said, the Midgame could really use something like that as after the Khans there isn't another large combat centric area til the end of the game. Plus you could always puss out and take the easy route, get some minimal gear upgrades and Dogmeat and miss out on the maximum loot and Necropolis tip.
 
So yeah, that's the proposal. Move Necropolis and it's encounter table to the lore accurate and in-game directions accurate and mutant invasion accurate location of Bakersfield. That way players relying on in-game directions NSEW rather than map markers aren't lost, it pairs well with mutant invasion mods without being weirdly out of order for it's spot, and it's lore compliant.

In it's old spot, place Scrapheap from the demo. Keep Dogmeat's quest here and cut it from Junktown, otherwise Scrapheap should function as in the demo. If you complete the best ending there(wiping out both gangs) the peasents will mark Necropolis on your map if it hasn't been marked already.

This is lore compliant, it adds only official content, and it actually helps smooth out the difficulty curve a bit. Chuck this in one of those mega mods(apparently Et Tu is the good one) because Players who feel like playing a version specifically marked as "Modified from the original to up it's quality of life" should be able to get the demo content without hunting.
 
But redesign the Scrapheap map somewhat so that it doesn't look as much as Junktown? Change the entrance at least I think.
 
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I feel how scrapheap is integrated into ettu is probably the beat way. We still get to play the demo and it doesn't mess with the balance of the game
 
I love how it's integrated in ettu. Having it be a game within the game fits, because the dialogue in the demo is so ridiculous it feels like a parody of what the actual game became.
 
Not sure if the Et Tu people are still around, I'm new here, most of my forum experience is from Daria, but that's basically what I'd love to see.
Necropolis moved, Scrapheap in the original spot, if you complete Scrapheap's best ending Necropolis is marked on your map, and maaaaaybe the Boneyard given those tiny sublocation dots for stuff like how some of the other small sub locations have them I think if that map on google is from yours
 
Indeed.
I think it was clear from the beginning that this mod will never exist. But the discussion made it sound like there would be a download link posted very soon... Funny.
 
No, but it sounded like it. While Lexx expressed here in the forum no interest in adding such mods to Fallout Et Tu.
There are only a handful of modders and they seem all to be busy or not interested. So better start modding yourself, if you want to get such a mod.
 
I strongly disagree with moving Dogmeat to Scrapheap if we’re putting Scrapheap in the former Necropolis location, because 1) no one wants to wait that long to get a dog and 2) he’ll be even more useless in combat by the time you find him.

I was thinking Scrapheap could be put somewhere in the unused parts of L.A. as an old junkyard. The Boneyard could use an actual gang war to get involved in, since it’s supposedly infested with gangs but we only get to deal with a deconstructed version of that through the Regulators/Blades conflict. To differentiate it a little from Junktown I’d add even more scrap and wrecked cars lying around, making it look like a more recently settled area. A sort of proto-Junktown instead of a miniature clone of it. And it could use some asphalt/pavement tiles instead of just desert.
 
Yeah.. junk wise it *really* makes sense to put scrapheap near Boneyard, since the town already scavenges for scrap materials, especially Gun Runners, and like most of the nearby area is already pillaged out of all usefull materials, so scavs have to do trips far beyond town to fetch something usefull, and you propose to setup a town made of "precious junk walls" in remnants of L.A.
dude think agin..

Scrapheap would be literally stripped apart if it weren't for those gangs fightig for control over it, so residents willing to get rid of the gangs fail logic here..

setting Scrapheap in place of Necropolis is also dumb since nobody wants to re edit the map and all random encounters just to put a small meaningless location there, and as you said too late for getting dogsh!t, not to mention Necropolis would be moved to the desert, where supermutants are frequent in random encounters.. meeting a random encounter with supermutants is a suicide without some PA, unless Lexx would wrote a script that if dude and his humanoid party is wearing cathedral robes the supermutants would not turn hostile. otherwise You'd be forced to do BoS questline to get PA..

You'd most likely be outta time before you manage to do everything.. unless.. unless Lexx would decide to kick dogsh!t outta scrapheap and place the motorcycle there, as a main reason to quarrel betwen the gangs.. and if you take out both you'd be alowed by townfolks to take it as to not draw attention of more wasteland scumm, perhaps some fixing should be required with nessecary parts split between the gangs, i.e. crypts have the cell controler and fools have the schematics and none of them have the nessecary tools or knowledge to fix the bike, ofcourse the bike would still require to fill it up with charges.

As things are now i usually manage to get the waterchip with ~83 days left. because I loose around 48h to get the bike for seat upgrades in Boneyard ( a.k.a leave Tycho in Necropolis, travel to L.A. for bike upgrade +pickup Katja+ Hydroponic part quest+ initial GunRunnr shopping+ Smitty upgrade, return to Necropolis pickup Tycho, go to Vault 13, hand out water chip..)


Frankly without the bike or the random encounter mutants non hostile to CoC robed party i don't see how else you'd manage to deliver the chip in 150 days..

It would require getting the PA so straight to BoS for glow quest, go grab radX to L.A. Followers, go to glow, back to BoS, and you're left with ~50 days or so, then dressed in PA go to Necroplis on the desert somewhere west of Lost Hills, litrally own everythig on necropolis due to how op you are, get the chip, and fail to manage to get back to Vault 13 with water chip on time.. so pretty meh...
 
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