Nature

[the4thlaw]

given the timeline of the fallout games, it would be logical that grass and trees would start growing by the time of Fallout 3

maybe not into massive forests, but at least some form of greenery, unless the ENTIRE surface of the world was irradiated.

but on that point, doesn't life on earth need plantlife to survive and produce oxygen, i'm no scientition but wouldn't it make sense to have SOME plantlife?

it would make for an excellent landscape, a destroyed city with 100 years worth of foliage growing over the rubble, vines entwining century old cars, and an eerie flowing field of grass surrounding a bare crater

 

[Brother None]

but on that point, doesn't life on earth need plantlife to survive and produce oxygen

Yes, but with less life, you need less plants. Seaplants are enough for a very sparsely populated planet.

 

[the4thlaw]

Yes, but with less life, you need less plants. Seaplants are enough for a very sparsely populated planet.

ahh, of course!

maybe I'd just like to see more colours than brown and grey...

 

[Vault 69er]

Since it's the east coast there might be a slight amount of plantlife.
Total desert in california actually makes sense, desertification is very real and areas around cities like Los Angeles are only kept green with irrigation.
So it doesn't have to be that way elsewhere.

 

[xdarkyrex]

There is disagreement over which photosynthetic organisms, land plants or
phytoplankton and algae in the oceans, provide the majority of the earth's
photosynthesis. Some experts ascribe more than half of current global
photosynthesis to the oceans. Salisbury and Ross (1985) estimated one third of
photosynthesis in oceans and two-thirds on land. They presented 1975 estimates
that rainforests accounted for 22% of global photosynthesis and the oceans 32%.
We know that oxygen definitely comes from photosynthesis and rain forests do
produce a significant but decreasing amount because of all the rainforest
destruction.

http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/2001-09/1001605307.Es.r.html

Linky

despite this disagreement, algae would be enough for 1/5th to 1/3rd of the living creatures on the planet, roughly.

Also, do we know anything about the remains of sea life?


Oh, and on a side note, Fallout 1&2 did have plant life, hell, they even had forests.

 

[the4thlaw]

Oh, and on a side note, Fallout 1&2 did have plant life, hell, they even had forests.

there was minimal plant life yes, crops, yellow grass, a few trees here and there

the 'forests' weren't really that good looking, they were all brown and stick-like and were pretty much the same tree over and over again

I talking about green flowing grass and vines and whatnot

 

[The Dutch Ghost]

Its such a damn shame that the Nursery location of Van Buren will never appear, it could have explained where the fresh and 'stronger' versions of plants come from.

 

[xdarkyrex]

Oh, and on a side note, Fallout 1&2 did have plant life, hell, they even had forests.

there was minimal plant life yes, crops, yellow grass, a few trees here and there

the 'forests' weren't really that good looking, they were all brown and stick-like and were pretty much the same tree over and over again

I talking about green flowing grass and vines and whatnot

How about mutant grass?

It does seem probable and reasonable, since we do have plantlife that can survive, based on the prior fallouts.

Maybe you should suggest that to bethsoft for fallout 4.

 

[the4thlaw]

How about mutant grass?

Maybe you should suggest that to bethsoft for fallout 4.

Todd would just make Mutant Grass a boss battle and maybe an entire subplot.

My main annoyance with Fallout 3 is, from what we can see and what has been described, it looks like the bombs fell recently.

there has been 100+ years since the initial nuclear blasts rocked the earth, so I'm expecting the following in Fallout 3

- Nature regrowth, grass, moss, vines, shrubs, algae.

- A system of Government established (like the NCR only wider), police, firefighters, judges, not just every town run by slavers or the mob or 1 sheriff with a busted leg.

- established communications systems (like the trade caravans in FO2), I'm talking mail and even telecommunications.

- New buildings, it seems that the majority of buildings in FO and FO2 were just existing buildings that people didn't even bother to patch up, if I lived in a bombed out building the first thing I'd do would be to fix the roof. The new buildings don't have to be advanced structures, but at least something livable made from littered materials.

 

[Dougly]

Its such a damn shame that the Nursery location of Van Buren will never appear, it could have explained where the fresh and 'stronger' versions of plants come from.

I'm still hoping that someone, somewhere remains interested in making Van Buren into a game, and that we might see a Fallout: The Lost Chapter someday.

I realize that, at this point, chances are slim. But, who knows?

 

[Blackwing]

Just to add my scientific two cents to the whole plantlife/oxygen issue:

Rainforests producing oxygen is a gross lie.

Don't get me wrong, during the day they produce plenty of oxygen, but during the night they use it all up again.

Rainforests are oxygen neutral, they produce as much as they use up. The realy reason why cutting rainforests is bad is because burning the underbrush that isn't used for timber release huge amounts of Carbon Dioxide.. Which is bad, m'kay.

But yes, FO3 could use some greenery. So long as no one starts whining that "This is Fallout! The only green things should be supermutants and The Glow!"

 

[the4thlaw]

I'm still hoping that someone, somewhere remains interested in making Van Buren into a game, and that we might see a Fallout: The Lost Chapter someday.

I thought there was a group here recreating it

I emailed the apparent head guy offering my assistance but didn't receive any reply... oh well I'll just go back to coding my Blood Bowl game

 

[xdarkyrex]

Strangely enough, I somehow bet that if they put plant life in Fallout 3, there would be a lot of backlash from some of the fans.

 

[Bad_Karma]

Sure if they would have used the oblivion trees
It's a matter of what vegetation is used. In Fallout 2 we got some mutated plants, as also some normal crop (wheat?) and unhealthy looking other plants.
By the way, i know that there are several places in the world were plant-semen (right word?) are stored, so that we could regrow them if the 'population' is gone.
So it would be somewhat logical if BoS like organisations went to such locations get the 'plants' and have some conservatories to regrow some plants, that aren't really there now.

Also opens up the research on plant's wich soak 'radiation' out of the earth (as far as it's able....)...
Maybe not a plot for 100 years after the war, but after 200 years maybe....