Obama wins Nobel peace prize
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[Intelligence] So, he got Nobel Prize for replacing George Bush 
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Yeah. Definitely, G.W.B. deserves a Nobel Peace Price as well. After all, he did not nuke the shit out of Arabia after 9/11.Public said:
If all you cats read the first paragraph of the article he won it for "his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and co-operation between peoples." Which basically means just for talking and being Obama. 
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I see that you don't get the irony - nukes are the main reason why there wasn't WWIII and why even insane dictators didn't start it.Member of Khans said:
By working towards the world without nukes, Obama works to make the world much less stable and much less safe.
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Well, obama has tuned down the whole "Not with us, then you are against us!" Rethoric. Maybe calmed the world alot. But meh. I think fair trade treaties has much more to say for world peace than changed rethoric. And no. I don't think he has deserved it.
Besides that people need to understand, that the peace price is not what it used to be. Basically prior to world war 2 the people that handed out the peace price, could be anyone. Usually it was private people that had in some way or another shown themself to be engaged in work for world peace. Like high honcos in Red Cross and people that had done important humanitarian work for world peace.
The people in the Nobel comitee are appointed by the norwegian parliament. They cannot apoint people that are in government or that are in parliament, but it has become a situation where people that are retiring from parliament and that want some more nice thing on their record "Oh you were our party leader for ten years, nice work. Go nobel!"(torbjørn jagland former norwegian prime minister/president of parliament/and leader of norwegian labour is sitting there for instance) will get sent into the comitte where they no doubt make much money and get to get the worlds attention for fifteen minnutes.
Supposedly it is going to be a compleatly independent show, but in reality these people are politicians and I doubt they will be able to be subjective.
This is just a sign that the norwegian parliament is approving of the current politics that Barack Obama is doing. Nothing more.
Besides that people need to understand, that the peace price is not what it used to be. Basically prior to world war 2 the people that handed out the peace price, could be anyone. Usually it was private people that had in some way or another shown themself to be engaged in work for world peace. Like high honcos in Red Cross and people that had done important humanitarian work for world peace.
The people in the Nobel comitee are appointed by the norwegian parliament. They cannot apoint people that are in government or that are in parliament, but it has become a situation where people that are retiring from parliament and that want some more nice thing on their record "Oh you were our party leader for ten years, nice work. Go nobel!"(torbjørn jagland former norwegian prime minister/president of parliament/and leader of norwegian labour is sitting there for instance) will get sent into the comitte where they no doubt make much money and get to get the worlds attention for fifteen minnutes.
Supposedly it is going to be a compleatly independent show, but in reality these people are politicians and I doubt they will be able to be subjective.
This is just a sign that the norwegian parliament is approving of the current politics that Barack Obama is doing. Nothing more.
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Sure, but that has more to do with the absence of Rove/Rumsfeld/Cheney than anything else. I really don't see where (foreign policy wise) Obama has discontinued the previous administration's policies, except in his professed willingness to parlay with Iran, but if anything we're back to laying sanctions on them.Loxley said:
The guy gets a free pass on a lot of shit simply becasue of what he is.
This is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. What exactly has Obama done to earn the Nobel Peace Prize, other than having a bit of a tan and not being George Bush? The Norwegian Nobel Committee squander their credibility faster than Obama fritters away his political capital. What if the United States invades Iran or Pakistan, or if Israel launches a nuclear strike against Iran during Obama's term in the office? The Nobel Committee will look like big idiots, that's what. Well, bigger idiots, at any rate.
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I didn't know Hu Jia had been nominated, but it would be a nice slap on the face in the 60 yrs celebration of CCP.
Com on guys, if Jassir Arafat can get it, almost everyone can.
They did for once in their life the "right" thing and get a price for it? Kinda hypocritical in my eyes.
Thats the issue with quite a few of the people which got the nobel price.Loxley said:
They did for once in their life the "right" thing and get a price for it? Kinda hypocritical in my eyes.
What nobody here is discussing is why should we even care about the Nobel peace prize?
It's a political tool, not a real thing of value. There's way too much media exposition.
Kissinger got the peace prize. He bombed the crap out of a neutral country.
It's a political tool, not a real thing of value. There's way too much media exposition.
Kissinger got the peace prize. He bombed the crap out of a neutral country.
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It's not like by dismantling current nuclear weapons and using or converting their fisable material for more constructive purposes (power) that it somehow removes the ability to create nukes.Sorrow said:
Fox news is not a credible source, you should have just quoted the BBC article. Also note the deadline was for nominations, not for the winner, at least that's what I read.Bal-Sagoth said:WTF?
Pretty much they are giving him the reward because they hated the Bush Administration's foreign policy and Obama has a much more reasonable one and because he agreed to the nuclear talks with Iran. Does he deserve it? Probably not (I can't think of anyone else who deserves it more but I'd be shocked if there wasn't somebody). If his foreign policy actually works out the way that the Nobel Peace Prize Committee wants it to then he would deserve the award but considering that the only thing that he has achieved so far is an agreement with Iran (no actual actions), it's putting the carriage before the horse. Since I'm guessing people are probably going to skip reading the article, these are the reasons that he got it:
Also, Obama's response:
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It blindsided him as well, acknowledged that it wasn't for anything he did, and said that he didn't feel like he deserved to be in the company of some of the other winners so I feel that he accepted it in an appropriate manner.
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It removes the ability to respond quickly - removes the ability to deter.UncannyGarlic said:
While there's too many nukes and some of them could be got rid of, the idea of nuke-free world is madness. It's returning to the same shit that was in the first half of XX century.
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In this case Foxnews' slant is probably warranted, but it's that old "even a broken clock is right twice a day" principle.
I'm not sure I've seen the Obama administration deviate all that much from the status quo (granted he's only had 8 months). And his SOS Hillary isn't exactly (at least she didn't campaign herself as) some kind of peace-loving dove either. He's kept Bush guys like Gates around, becaue from a pragmatic standpoint, he seems to be pretty good at supressing uppity brown people.
Not to say he can't some day fulfill this, or that we don't want to see him do so. But Obama's reaction even shows you how incredulous himself is.
That's kind of a moot point after the revelations of the past two weeks, no? Iran talks never got off the ground and are likely off the table for the forseeable future. Back to the stick instead of the carrot, sanctions, browbeating, disapproving glares, wagging fingers etc. etc. The only difference is the lack of swagger and macho bravado Bush had with his John Wayne mentality.UncannyGarlic said:
I'm not sure I've seen the Obama administration deviate all that much from the status quo (granted he's only had 8 months). And his SOS Hillary isn't exactly (at least she didn't campaign herself as) some kind of peace-loving dove either. He's kept Bush guys like Gates around, becaue from a pragmatic standpoint, he seems to be pretty good at supressing uppity brown people.
Not to say he can't some day fulfill this, or that we don't want to see him do so. But Obama's reaction even shows you how incredulous himself is.