Oblivion gets Hot Coffeed

SimpleMinded

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Okay okay, I know there are a million oblivion topics but I blame that on you, not me. ESRB today, after discovering the mod that enables women to be topless in the game, decided the rating should be upped to an M.

http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=12604&rp=49

The content causing the ESRB to change the rating involves more detailed depictions of blood and gore than were considered in the original rating, as well as the presence of a locked-out art file or 'skin' that, if accessed through a third party modification to the PC version of the game, allows the user to play with topless versions of female characters

Now now, where have I heard this one before? Will developers become tighter with their products or will we continue to see similar "slip ups."
 
Are you telling me Oblivion actually ships with nude character skins? How did that manage to slip under the ever watchful eye of Uncle Todd?
 
Perhaps learning from the debacle that was the "Hot Coffee" scandal, the ESRB today changed the rating on The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion from Teen to Mature. Depictions of blood and gore and a third-party nude "skin" mod were cited as the major reasons.

Sweet, now we only have to do a Postal 2 mod for Oblivion and then we can make sure no impressionable child plays this crap and believes it is a CRPG. :evil:
 
Ratty said:
Are you telling me Oblivion actually ships with nude character skins? How did that manage to slip under the ever watchful eye of Uncle Todd?
The female model for the game is seperate from the bra (which is more of a bulky, ugly brown wrap than a bra) but not the undershorts. The reasoning for this is that it allows the bra to be removed from the model while wearing clothing and armor so that it can placed to be closer around the chest or show a lower neckline. Nothing shows though the armor or cloths, making it still "PG". However, given such reasoning, there still is no explaination why they included nipples, but they did. Given the inevitability of a nude mode (which was the first thing people tried to make), apparently some thoughtful employee at Bethesda just decided to toss the nips in for the fans. The default model for the unclothed female character can be changed to the bra-less one by simply changing a few file names, they are now topless, but still have underpants.
 
Sure, it's great to have a quick laugh at Beth's expense and all, but...

This is almost certain to be terrible news for Fallout 3, as everyone's favourite developer is now going to be paranoid about purging anything which could possibly raise the rating of their future games above "T". Some store chains (I'm looking at you, Walmart) refuse to carry games rated "AO", and stock reduced amounts of games rated "M". Seeing as the majority of Oblivion's sales are on the 360, on which the majority of users are children and teenagers...

Consider the implications.
 
Who cares!? The game industry is being wuss ever since
Jack Thompson's "Crusade"...


I blame the parents :shock:

/wants more M-rated game. :D
 
I don't think this will scare them off from violence or adult themes in FO3. Oblivion could have been given an "M" rating from the start and it would have sold the same amount, and the only way the change in rating is going to affect their sales is that all copies of Oblivion are going to be off the shelves for a few days. If anything they'll just make sure that there are no slip-ups like this in FO3. At this point all they have to do to sell millions of copies of any game is to make sure that everyone knows that it's by the same people that made Morrowind and Oblivion, and the majority of TES fans will buy it on that alone.
 
Bethesda announced ages ago that Fallout 3 would be M-rated, so I don't see a problem there.
 
More on the subect, if anyone cares - Bethesda's official statement. It claims that the toplessness was fully third-party creation, and not the truth, that it's a simple renaming job to point the software to a different mesh/texture.

In either case this won't mean much to the community here, except this: they'll take future action to lock the game art from the modding community; which I fully disagree with... since modability is in my opinion one of the best things (if only things) this game had going for it. This may mean for a change to whatever plans they may have had for releasing their "construction kits" to Fallout3 or other future games.


Bethesda said:
"The ESRB has revoked their Teen rating for The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion for the PC and the Xbox 360 and has assigned the game a new rating of Mature. The ESRB reports that this is due to content in the game that was not fully disclosed when rating the game initially. Bethesda, not its co-publisher, developed the game, handled the ratings application before the ESRB, and stands behind it.

Bethesda will promptly implement the ratings change that the ESRB has ordered for Oblivion. We will not contest the ESRB's decision to re-rate the game as Mature, nor will we change the game's content to keep a Teen rating. We believe that this critically acclaimed game is not typical of Mature rated titles, and does not present the central themes of violence that are common to those products.

Bethesda will work with its co-publisher to place new "M" rating stickers on Oblivion packaging now at retail and in warehouses, and will reflect the change in rating on newly manufactured product. No product recall is being directed.

In light of the public comments that are being made about this matter, and to respond to questions we are being asked, we are releasing this statement to be on record about the circumstances giving rise to Oblivion's change in rating.

Bethesda Softworks made what it believes was a full, accurate, and comprehensive submission on Oblivion to the ESRB months before the game's release. Bethesda used the ESRB's application forms and believes it adhered closely to their requirements. Nothing was hidden from the ratings agency. No effort was made by Bethesda to lobby or influence the agency for any particular rating.

The ESRB has concluded that the game deserves a rating of Mature because: 1) partial nudity in the PC version of the game can be created by modders; and 2) the game contains excessive blood and gore that go beyond a Teen rating. The facts are as follows:

There is no nudity in Oblivion without a third party modification. In the PC version of the game only - this doesn't apply to the Xbox 360 version - some modders have used a third party tool to hack into and modify an art archive file to make it possible to create a mesh for a partially nude (topless) female that they add into the game. Bethesda didn't create a game with nudity and does not intend that nudity appear in Oblivion. There is no nude female character in a section of the game that can be "unlocked." Bethesda can not control tampering with Oblivion by third parties. Bethesda is taking steps to ensure that modders can not continue to hack into Oblivion's art archives to create partially nude figures.

With regard to violence, Bethesda advised the ESRB during the ratings process that violence and blood effects were "frequent" in the game - checking the box on the form that is the maximum warning. We further advised that the game contained occasional torture, vulgar acts, and gore. We gave accurate answers and descriptions about the type and frequency of violence that appears in the game. We submitted a 60-page document listing the explicit language, acts, and scenes in the game. Oblivion packaging already contains warnings for "Violence" and "Blood and Gore."

We value the role of the ESRB and believe the rating agency plays a valuable role in regulating our industry. As always, we will continue work in good faith to comply fully with the ESRB's standards and policies.

We remain enormously proud of Oblivion and the standard of excellence in game development it represents. Oblivion is one of the highest rated games of all time and one of the most popular games available on the Xbox 360 and the PC. We greatly appreciate the understanding and support of our fans."
- Source: RPGFan.com, my friend pointed me to the article.



Editted for grammar/spelling, Christ I should learn not to post tired like this.
 
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