Per counts down his favourite games

Per

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I decided I wanted to do a top 10 games list after all. That meant making up some rules: for instance, leaving out arcade machines (which were really cool in the late 80s but would probably seem slightly less so now), "meditative" gamelets like Minesweeper or Hearts (which I've spent more time with than most games but which probably don't belong on a list like this), and games I've had lots of fun watching competent people play but played little or not at all myself (notably Unreal Tournament). Still, I couldn't escape the division between single- and multiplayer experiences. You can have so much fun with any game with a well implemented multiplayer feature that it might not matter if it's totally unplayable on one's own, and in terms of sheer fun collected over a gamer's career, perfectly good single player games might be "unfairly" outshone by relatively simple multiplayer games. So I'm going to do two parallel lists. Also, to increase overall annoyance and interest, I'll be posting the games two at a time, counting down from ten to one, and so as not to spam the list thread, I'll do it in a thread all of my own, so that people can flame and comment. Isn't that considerate? (No, you can't do it as well. Imagine what the board would look like.) Remember, I fully expect everyone to shiver in awe of my impeccable taste. Here we go!

10, MP: Mario Bros (C64)

Before they were Super Mario Bros, Mario and Luigi were just these ordinary Mario Bros, running around a single static screen with platforms. Monsters would emerge from pipes at the top, and could be rendered helpless by bumping them from below. Defeating all monsters on a level would let you proceed to the next, and it made for an entertaining enough cooperative experience if you tried to get as far as possible. But you could also play it as a sort of deathmatch and try to kill the other player, which could often be done quite elegantly thanks to the "physics" regulating the behaviour of the two main characters as well as the various monsters. In short, it was a simple game you could have tons of fun with. Needless to say, the whole franchise went to hell directly afterwards. (OK, maybe not entirely.)

10, SP: Fallout (PC)

Some will be surprised to see the original Fallout so far down on my list. Myself, I'm still not sure it should even be here; most likely it wouldn't be if I hadn't been dragged into the fandom after playing Fallout 2 and spent a lot, lot more time with it than I otherwise would have. It's a solid design, a good story and game, it's just not... as memorable as it perhaps might have been. The world feels small, a lot of quests are sort of bland and predictable, and the dialogue in some areas is as badly written as Mark O'Green's contributions are succulent... All right, it is fun to blow a mole rat apart with the .223 Pistol going WHAM in the sewers of Necropolis and so on. Shoo, Knights of the Old Republic. You didn't make the list after all. Maybe if you'd had a "No, really, this IS hard" difficulty setting. It's too late now. Yeah, go cry.
 
Scary to think the person who wrote the DEFINITIVE guide for Fallout puts it at a mere ten :). I'll be looking forward to the rest of your listings, as you put more into them than a frivolous 10.. 9 .. 8... etc.

While the world is small, I rather enjoy that now as it means Fallout is far more manageable for another replay (it's done in only a few sittings). In addition, while a lot of quests are bland and predictable... I feel like the areas of the world are more memorable than those in Fallout 2.

Then again... anything I could say, you would already know. I guess I'll just pipe down and wait for the next :).
 
Per said:
I decided I wanted to do a top 10 games list after all. That meant making up some rules: for instance, leaving out arcade machines (which were really cool in the late 80s but would probably seem slightly less so now), "meditative" gamelets like Minesweeper or Hearts (which I've spent more time with than most games but which probably don't belong on a list like this), and games I've had lots of fun watching competent people play but played little or not at all myself (notably Unreal Tournament). Still, I couldn't escape the division between single- and multiplayer experiences. You can have so much fun with any game with a well implemented multiplayer feature that it might not matter if it's totally unplayable on one's own, and in terms of sheer fun collected over a gamer's career, perfectly good single player games might be "unfairly" outshone by relatively simple multiplayer games. So I'm going to do two parallel lists. Also, to increase overall annoyance and interest, I'll be posting the games two at a time, counting down from ten to one, and so as not to spam the list thread, I'll do it in a thread all of my own, so that people can flame and comment. Isn't that considerate? (No, you can't do it as well. Imagine what the board would look like.) Remember, I fully expect everyone to shiver in awe of my impeccable taste. Here we go!

Why do I feel like I wrote that?

:wink:

No seriously Per being both a great writer and having played games so long I look forward to this. I especially wonder what better RPG's he mentions with Fallout being 10th.

Oh and good job separating Multiplayer and Singleplayer. I too kinda have the same problem...also if I ever had a list myself (I do in my head) I have a separate one for RPG's and one for non-RPG's. I can do RPG's having played so many, but I cant include non-RPG's since I dont play enough to make viable comparisons.

Sincerely,
The Vault Dweller
 
Per said:
Shoo, Knights of the Old Republic. You didn't make the list after all. ... Yeah, go cry.
Well, you know Per, you could have made a list of the best series of games. But then again a few of the games wouldn't be singled out as well as they shall now. ?
And I hope that you won't be just looking for clare of despair so to say, the beauty in the beast, "Yeah, it looks nice, but the game is unplayable." thing, but more of different realms games for the like minded.

The_Vault_Dweller said:
Why do I feel like I wrote that?
Just to clarify, you didn't, did you? Ah the broken mind rears it's ugly head up, again.
 
I betcha Per's top 3 (SP) will look something like this:

1. Fallout 2
2. Wasteland
3. Arcanum

I betcha my gf's titties for it.
 
alec said:
I betcha Per's top 3 (SP) will look something like this:

1. Fallout 2
2. Wasteland
3. Arcanum

I betcha my gf's titties for it.

You're on... I'm feeling
1. Pokemon
2. Halo 2
3. Oblivion

You're girlfriend's mineeee
 
Jeez, the rest of the list had better be pretty good. I'd rank the demo for Fallout 1 above most other games, nevermind the game itself.
 
I'm pretty sure he'll elevate Baldur's Gate among the top three.

Petition to ban Per for crimes against the Bomb and the Holy Fallout.
 
SimpleMinded said:
alec said:
I betcha Per's top 3 (SP) will look something like this:

1. Fallout 2
2. Wasteland
3. Arcanum

I betcha my gf's titties for it.

You're on... I'm feeling
1. Pokemon
2. Halo 2
3. Oblivion

You're girlfriend's mineeee


Best post EVAR!!! :D
 
Ratty said:
I'm pretty sure he'll elevate Baldur's Gate among the top three.

Petition to ban Per for crimes against the Bomb and the Holy Fallout.

Seconded. When we re-write history can we make it so that I wrote Pers Ultimate Fallout Guide?
 
SimpleMinded said:
Scary to think the person who wrote the DEFINITIVE guide for Fallout puts it at a mere ten :).

Is a ten a "mere" ten, though?

Jarno Mikkola said:
Well, you know Per, you could have made a list of the best series of games. But then again a few of the games wouldn't be singled out as well as they shall now. ?

I generally dislike rating entire series; do you rate them as one big game, or do you rate the best one, or do you take the average? What if a single game could have achieved a better position on its own? There is one case where I feel this is justified, though, which will become apparent in due time (dun dun dun).

Montez said:
I'd rank the demo for Fallout 1 above most other games, nevermind the game itself.

Then I have to assume you're not using the same criteria as am I now. Or do you replay the Fallout demo very often, having as much fun with it each time? Zing etc.

Additional note: any C64 games I mention can be played by downloading the CCS64 emulator and the appropriate .d64 or .t64 files.

9, MP: Super Cars II (Amiga)

This was a top-down car game where you'd drive around a track, shoot your fellow racers in the face with a homing rocket, and avoid gates, trains and chasms. In the two-player game, you'd have a split screen, and could try to cooperate or compete, usually with a little friendly fire sneaking in either way. Basically Rock n' Roll Racing with a different perspective, much more varied tracks, more weapons, and the possibility of being pulled over by cops. Well, not during a race, but in between races, where you might have to provide flippant answers to tough questions from the law, from your sponsors and so on, earning or losing money as a result. That wasn't what made the game fun, though; improving your car and mercilessly blasting the competition while trying to make sure you got to progress to the next race was.

9, SP: Midtown Madness (PC)

Apparently, the list will feature only driving games from this point. I remember having a lot of fun with the demo for this game when it was released, even though you could only move within a limited area during a limited time. You could do freaky things like turn up the speed of the other cars and create bizarre traffic jams with vehicles stacked on top of each other. In the full game (which I picked up when it had gone cheap) you have three different racing modes, as well as the possibility to roam the whole city at will and evade the cops (make sure you apply the "cop patch"), using predefined or custom vehicles. One sadly missing feature is the possibility of defining your own races by placing checkpoints; it doesn't seem it would have been that complicated. Still, it's a lovely game with modest system requirements that you can start up and just drive around aimlessly in for a few minutes, picking whatever weather and lighting conditions suits your mood.
 
Per said:
Then I have to assume you're not using the same criteria as am I now. Or do you replay the Fallout demo very often, having as much fun with it each time? Zing etc.

Curses, foiled by my own ridiculous rhetoric! I'll get you next time, you perspicacious purveyor of proportional ponderings!
 
Ratty said:
I'm pretty sure he'll elevate Baldur's Gate among the top three.
If this is so; then it's obvious:
Per said:
I generally dislike rating entire series; do you rate them as one big game, or do you rate the best one, or do you take the average? What if a single game could have achieved a better position on its own? There is one case where I feel this is justified, though, which will become apparent in due time (dun dun dun).
If you like to play the game as a single one big game, you rate it as such, if you can play it as such, and as it stands there are a few games that can be played with moded engine that gives you the ability to play it, as if it was one BIG game.(the Baldur's Gates have actually two, the tutu, and the BGT). But, if you like more of a single games, and not series of games, you can rate games with that principal. Or you can do these as a blend(as I do), but then you might have to dislike a few of the games with definite hatred.
 
8, MP: Hat Trick (C64)

Not many will have heard of this; I'm guessing it was one of those budget games for the C64 that sold for about £3 in the UK. Basically, it's an advanced hockey version of Pong, but not at all without finesse. Each player has a forward with which to chase the puck as it bounces around the rink, swerving to avoid the opponent and looking for opportunities to shoot. Meanwhile, you also control your goalkeeper, who moves up and down depending on how you're moving the forward. The result is a fast-paced one-on-one duel with often quite elegant goals scored as you dodge, feint, bounce and steal, trying to trick your opponent into leaving the goal open, hunting for that perfect angle of approach, or just doing weird hockey-fu stylings to throw the goalkeeper off. Very simple, very fun, and EA Sports can burn for all I care.

8, SP: Warlords II Deluxe (PC)

First there was Warlords, with its single map, static starting locations and somewhat plodding gameplay. Warlords II added random maps, more scenarios, more units and more options, and finally Warlords II Deluxe coughed up lots more scenarios as well as an editor to let you create your own scenarios with custom maps, units and graphics, preferably with city production and unit sets a little more balanced than the ones that come with the game. (We do not speak of Warlords III and beyond. If we did, it would be using words like "franchise went to hell".) Admittedly there's little true strategy involved here, and virtually no resource management; basically you expand your nation using a mix of (typically) fantasy units, consolidating whenever and wherever necessary, choosing which opponents to make war on, and so on. Heroes can visit crypts and temples, gain equipment and level up, much like in Warcraft III. Even though I'm not that crazy about the game any more, it's provided enough hours of straightforward magical conquest to earn it a spot on the list. Turn based for the win. Technical footnote: W2D was one of very few games that simply wouldn't work in any other OS than Windows 95, but the latest versions of DOSBox have been able to run it.
 
Per said:
8, SP: Warlords II Deluxe (PC)

First there was Warlords, with its single map, static starting locations and somewhat plodding gameplay. Warlords II added random maps, more scenarios, more units and more options, and finally Warlords II Deluxe coughed up lots more scenarios as well as an editor to let you create your own scenarios with custom maps, units and graphics, preferably with city production and unit sets a little more balanced than the ones that come with the game. (We do not speak of Warlords III and beyond. If we did, it would be using words like "franchise went to hell".) Admittedly there's little true strategy involved here, and virtually no resource management; basically you expand your nation using a mix of (typically) fantasy units, consolidating whenever and wherever necessary, choosing which opponents to make war on, and so on. Heroes can visit crypts and temples, gain equipment and level up, much like in Warcraft III. Even though I'm not that crazy about the game any more, it's provided enough hours of straightforward magical conquest to earn it a spot on the list. Turn based for the win. Technical footnote: W2D was one of very few games that simply wouldn't work in any other OS than Windows 95, but the latest versions of DOSBox have been able to run it.

This is quite a shock!

I didnt get a computer until 2000 and was/have been relegated to playing newer games. Of the few old games I've gotten a hold of from friends one of my favorites is "Warlords III". I honestly think its one of the best strategy games of all time with its various units/specials as well as the ability to wage war and go on quests and how each area is different yet equal.

Yet...if your saying how much better "Warlords II Deluxe" is I cant help, but be astonished by how good it could possibly be...I even read a review of the game on that site (there's only one review) and it said "Warlords III lacks the theme and different maps of Warlords II".

Now I have another game to add to my list of "Games I would have loved had I been around at the time to get them."

Sincerely,
The Vault Dweller

P.S.

Per I love this list both for its great games and the quality you're writing it with.
 
The_Vault_Dweller said:
Of the few old games I've gotten a hold of from friends one of my favorites is "Warlords III". I honestly think its one of the best strategy games of all time with its various units/specials as well as the ability to wage war and go on quests and how each area is different yet equal.

The things that killed Warlords III for me were the fact that unit production is team-based instead of location-based, meaning castles are essentially interchangeable, and the lack of editability. I also thought the maps were pretty dull, and... well, I didn't really like the presentation much at all.

7, MP: Rally Speedway (C64)

Here we have another top-down racing game, and one much simpler than Super Cars II. The two racers share a single display; there are no computer controlled cars, weapons or on-course obstacles. You gain a time advantage by having your opponent crash into trees or buildings or by managing to get ahead and reach the edge of the screen; in either case the two cars stop and are placed side by side for the race to continue. So why would this be more fun than Super Cars II? It's much simpler. There are no distractions, no financial or maintenance aspects, you just choose a track (predefined or user-created) and some settings and start racing for the lead; after three laps and some explosions, you either win or lose. When you crash, a little guy comes running out of the flaming wreckage. Sometimes he's on fire.

7, SP: Diablo (PC)

Diablo is the original Skinner box of computer gaming. Unlike your average MUD or Roguelike, there isn't much brainwork involved as you take down groups of enemies in your chosen style, smashing their barrels and taking their monster savings. Level-ups, findings and purchases improve your character and prepare you for the deeper dungeons. Pretty dumb, fairly mechanical, well presented and extremely addictive. Back in the day I played through the game with each of the three characters until I had the best or nearly the best equipment as well as maxed-out stats, and in fact I wouldn't be entirely adverse to the idea of having another go. Some might say Diablo II provided a richer experience, and they'd probably be right, but I haven't played that game nearly as much so the original gains the spot. Is there by any chance a mod that gets rid of Adria? (Or - or gets rid of her clothes?)
 
Per said:
7, SP: Diablo (PC)*snip*
you forgot the poem!

diablo contains the only poem i know by heart... (rather silly, but whatever)

The Halls of the Blind

I can see what you see not,
Vision milky, then eyes rot.
When you turn, they will be gone,
Whispering there hidden song.

Then you see what cannot be,
Shadows move where light should be!
Out of darkness, out of mind,
Cast down into the halls of the blind...


anyhow, the voice reading it made quite an impression on me when i was a kid.

PS: Tyreal rocks.
 
Nothing beats the "I sense a soul in search of answers" line.
 
Diablo and Midtown Madness above Fallout?

I wish plague and pestilence upon you and your kin.
 
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