The Governments of Fallout 3

[B5C]

From what I noticed from reading the Fallout 3 news and watching the videos that there are known governments left in Fallout.

- The Enclave (United States of America)
- Brotherhood of Steal
- People's Republic of America (Possible puppet government of the PRC)

Have we heard anything about the New California Republic?

 

[rcorporon]

BoS isn't really a government. Just a group of people.

 

[B5C]

BoS isn't really a government. Just a group of people.

Which is a government. They might not be a Republic or a Dictatorship, but they are a form of government. They have leaders, control land, and have a military. The Brotherhood is more like Teutonic Knights of Fallout.

 

[Moving Target]

If the NCR is in Fallout 3, I'll be confused and upset. They have even less reason to be there than the Brotherhood of Steel.

 

[B5C]

If the NCR is in Fallout 3, I'll be confused and upset. They have even less reason to be there than the Brotherhood of Steel.

Well it's possible they have been mentioned in records in the game, or find trace evidence they explored Washington DC area. They could have sent some scouts to the area to see if there are any more governments left. I would love to know how the People's Republic of China established a foot hold in mainland America. Unless they have a high powerful radios from Alaska.

 

[Brother None]

Which is a government. They might not be a Republic or a Dictatorship, but they are a form of government. They have leaders, control land, and have a military. The Brotherhood is more like Teutonic Knights of Fallout.

The Brotherhood of Steel as an organisation doesn't govern anything except themselves. That means they fall outside the traditional definitions of governments.

I think you might be thinking of factions maybe?

 

[artmiser]

Enclave

I think we forget the Enclave did have at least one base on land. Its possible they had more. If the Enclave were the fanatics they are supposed to be they would simply "elect" a new president and move on, hmm perhaps the east coast.

 

[Moving Target]

[Well it's possible they have been mentioned in records in the game, or find trace evidence they explored Washington DC area. They could have sent some scouts to the area to see if there are any more governments left. I would love to know how the People's Republic of China established a foot hold in mainland America. Unless they have a high powerful radios from Alaska.

....ahhh.... why?

They're pretty much struggling to survive, somewhat bringing themselves up out of the ruins, during FO2. They're dealing with local problems, and building their *own* government. Why would they leave and go across the country, a country whose memory itself is probably fading, leave their homes, families, whatever else, all for a rumor?

Jeez, it's like the BoS question all over again.

 

[B5C]

[Well it's possible they have been mentioned in records in the game, or find trace evidence they explored Washington DC area. They could have sent some scouts to the area to see if there are any more governments left. I would love to know how the People's Republic of China established a foot hold in mainland America. Unless they have a high powerful radios from Alaska.

....ahhh.... why?

They're pretty much struggling to survive, somewhat bringing themselves up out of the ruins, during FO2. They're dealing with local problems, and building their *own* government. Why would they leave and go across the country, a country whose memory itself is probably fading, leave their homes, families, whatever else, all for a rumor?

Jeez, it's like the BoS question all over again.

Wouldn't you sent out explorers to see if there any other government or the conditions outside of the NCR. F3 is set 36 years after F2. NCR probally expanded alot since then.

 

[The Dutch Ghost]

Wouldn't you sent out explorers to see if there any other government or the conditions outside of the NCR. F3 is set 36 years after F2. NCR probally expanded alot since then.

They had barely expanded into Nevada, Utah and Colorado a hundred years after Fallout 1, and 36 years later they are next to the East Coast?

 

[B5C]

Not it's borders. Ever heard of Lewis and Clark?? Why not send a small team and explore the other side of the Rockies?

 

[rcorporon]

Not it's borders. Ever heard of Lewis and Clark?? Why not send a small team and explore the other side of the Rockies?

To what end? Lewis and Clark weren't traversing a barren, bombed out wasteland. They were on, what was in effect, a commercial venture that was viable.

Sending out people into the wasteland, when you're having trouble keeping your own house in order, doesn't seem wise to me.

 

[B5C]

Lewis and Clark happen in 1804-1806 21 years after the revolution. Before that young US had to deal with the Indian wars and minor revolts. Young nations can have resources to have minor expiditions or major.

Also NCR had to probably to explore outside it's border for resources and trade. Radiation free water was a major resource . They probably had teams to explore the Rockies to find springs and maybe found more survivors of the great war.

Also exploring helps to find any new friends or possible threats to the young nation. NCR probably does not want a surprise like the Enclave again.

 

[Sander]

You're throwing out a shitton of 'probably's and assumptions here that don't make any sense just to justify how you want it to be.

Instead, the smart thing to do is to look at what would fit Fallout (this is not the same thing as looking at what is theoretically possible)

Also NCR had to probably to explore outside it's border for resources and trade. Radiation free water was a major resource . They probably had teams to explore the Rockies to find springs and maybe found more survivors of the great war.

Ehm, what? Where'd you get this idea from? None of the towns in Fallout 2 had trouble getting radiation free water, and in Fallout 1 the Water Merchants controlled most of the water.

Also exploring helps to find any new friends or possible threats to the young nation. NCR probably does not want a surprise like the Enclave again.

The NCR never even knew about the Enclave.

It makes no sense for the NCR, a small conglomeration of small cities, to be expanding across an entire continent in an age where it would take years to even get to the other side of the continent, not to mention the fact that the Midwest is a huge radioactive Dustbowl and the environments are far from hospitable.

'But maybe they could've blah'.

Yes, maybe they could've blah. There's several ways in which it is theoretically possible for the NCR to show up at the East Coast. That doesn't mean it actually makes sense for them to be there.

 

[B5C]

Why do you all think i'm suggesting that the NCR expanded it's borders?

 

[Barrett]

From what I noticed from reading the Fallout 3 news and watching the videos that there are known governments left in Fallout.

watching the videos that there are known governments left in Fallout.

government

That would make everybody thing that you were referring to the NCR as a major player in the east coast. Now you (unintentionally?) contradict yourself that you were talking about them as a scout party.

 

[Moving Target]

Why do you all think i'm suggesting that the NCR expanded it's borders?

Because saying that they sent a group of people all the way across the country sort of implies that they're at least setting up a beachhead there.

Though the question would still remain: If they were in Fallout 3, about 20 years after the end of Fallout 2, why would they be there in the first place?

They were already doing fine where they were, food and water was no problem, and those who wanted to expand eastward probably heard from some people who'd gone scouting that way that the Wastes were even more harsh out there.

Remember Tycho's talk about "radioactive twisters?" Why would anyone want to go through that? What guarantees would the scouts have that there would be an end to the harsh landscape? And how would they stay in contact with their people? Why would they even call themselves a part of the New California Republic?

It doesn't exactly make sense in the setting.

 

[B5C]

Why do you all think i'm suggesting that the NCR expanded it's borders?

Because saying that they sent a group of people all the way across the country sort of implies that they're at least setting up a beachhead there.

Though the question would still remain: If they were in Fallout 3, about 20 years after the end of Fallout 2, why would they be there in the first place?

They were already doing fine where they were, food and water was no problem, and those who wanted to expand eastward probably heard from some people who'd gone scouting that way that the Wastes were even more harsh out there.

Remember Tycho's talk about "radioactive twisters?" Why would anyone want to go through that? What guarantees would the scouts have that there would be an end to the harsh landscape? And how would they stay in contact with their people? Why would they even call themselves a part of the New California Republic?

It doesn't exactly make sense in the setting.

True about condition, but with the Lewis and Clark expedition Oregon and Washington wasn't fully setteled untill 1840s.

Also it is called the "New" California Republic. Because there was a California Republic before it was annex by the United States.

 

[Moving Target]

*Sigh*

I do know that much about U.S. history. I might not have taken any college courses on it, but it was a requirement to know such things before leaving high school. I also lived in California all my life, until a year ago.

Anyway: your reply is off topic. The question is: WHY would the NCR, or even representatives, go all the way across the country? The Lewis and Clark expedition was VERY well-funded for the time. And they had Native guides. They also didn't have to deal with nuclear twisters, massive amounts of radiation or giant mutated monstrosities.

So again: WHY? Also: how? Additionally: Why call themselves the NCR?

 

[B5C]

*Sigh*
So again: WHY? Also: how? Additionally: Why call themselves the NCR?

The California Republic (República de California in Spanish), also called the Bear Flag Republic, was the result of a revolt by Americans on June 14, 1846, in the town of Sonoma against the authorities of the Mexican province of California; the Republic lasted less than a month. The republic eventually became the present-day state of California.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Republic