the "Real ID Act" (U.S. political)

Warmonger, don't you realise that the Committee for State Security, damn! I keep mixing those two up, I mean the Dept of Homeland Security, only wants to watch over you (Big Brother) and keep you safe from the big bad terrorists. :wink:

What I have to say about this is reflected by a statement Benjamin Franklin made,
"If you surrender even the smallest amount of your liberty to be secure, you deserve to be neither secure nor free."

Ole Ben sure knew what he was talking about.



Cheers Thorgrimm
 
Thorgrimm said:
What I have to say about this is reflected by a statement Benjamin Franklin made,
"If you surrender even the smallest amount of your liberty to be secure, you deserve to be neither secure nor free."
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Yeeeaaah...except that you're always surrendering a small amount of your liberty. Like the liberty to kill people, the liberty to walk around naked on the streets, the liberty to rape donkeys (which is allowed in Sweden, but hey), the liberty to shout "FIRE!" in a crowded theater...

Hell, that statement always sounds grand, but it's a bit silly when you compare it to reality
 
Whell. You still have liberty in those cases. You will just have to pay a price.

Price of walking around naked= Bill, price varying,-

Price of Shouting "Fire" in a theater= Bill, price varying,-

Price of killing random people= Your life (in America),-

However this ID card could make some of these things imposibel for foreigners.
So basicallly they are not reducing their liberty, but foreigners liberty.
 
Turnip said:
Whell. You still have liberty in those cases. You will just have to pay a price.
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lib·er·ty Audio pronunciation of "liberty" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (lbr-t)
n. pl. lib·er·ties

1.
1. The condition of being free from restriction or control.
2. The right and power to act, believe, or express oneself in a manner of one's own choosing.
3. The condition of being physically and legally free from confinement, servitude, or forced labor. See Synonyms at freedom.
2. Freedom from unjust or undue governmental control.
3. A right or immunity to engage in certain actions without control or interference: the liberties protected by the Bill of Rights.
4.
1. A breach or overstepping of propriety or social convention. Often used in the plural.
2. A statement, attitude, or action not warranted by conditions or actualities: a historical novel that takes liberties with chronology.
3. An unwarranted risk; a chance: took foolish liberties on the ski slopes.
5. A period, usually short, during which a sailor is authorized to go ashore.
 
Kharn wrote:
Hell, that statement always sounds grand, but it's a bit silly when you compare it to reality
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Yeah Sounds just as bad as some of the silliness you spout Kharn, Like we 'oppress' our people because we don't allow them to smoke dope. :roll: What is silly to you my Dutch friend is not silly to others.


Thorgrimm
 
In the uk we are highly likely to be getting national id cards with an iris scan, finger prints and your dna on it...

When they try to give me one I am going straight to 11 downing street (Tony Blairs house) and posting it through the letter box, on fire. That'll show the b*stards.
 
Actually, Meggy, Tony had too much of the rumpy-pumpy as it were with his wife, and so they had to move in to the larger no. 11. He just works in no. 10.

And hey, what is wrong with ID cards? If you ask me you houldn't have a problem with them. The only reason you could if is you have something to hide.
 
guys its 1984. cameras everywhere. id cards. next thing they make us what to think!

FIGHT THE POWER! come on guys if we refuse id cards the goverment will fall and the prolatrariarn can rise again
 
After the 1997 Quick Facts about: General Election(...) a swap was carried out by the present incumbents of the two titles, Tony Blair being a married man with three children still living at home, whilst his counterpart, tGordon Brown, was unmarried at the time of taking up his post. Although Number 10 continued to be the prime minister's official residence and contain the prime ministerial offices, Blair and his family actually moved into the more spacious Number 11, while Brown lived in the more meagre apartments of Number 10.
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Do a bunch of British guys discussing the PM's place of residence in a (U.S. Political) thread count as hijacking? (j/k)
 
i wish you americans would stop 'joking' with everyone else in the world about us being inferior one day the might of the islam will rise up and crush you all >:(
 
megatron said:
i wish you americans would stop 'joking' with everyone else in the world about us being inferior one day the might of the islam will rise up and crush you all >:(
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ok, thats hijacking..

the problem is not the IDs themselves... im all for a national driver license... the problem is the ability of the government to abuse the power that this bill is granting them. this bill is already going against the tenth ammendment "Amendment X - The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
and the DOHS is already begining to encroach on out 2nd, 4th, and 9th ammendment rights.... so you tell me, whats next? a leash crammed up our ******* asses... thats what.

edit: sorry, politics dont usually get me this riled up
 
megatron said:
yeah great job im sure youll get ARRESTED why dont you think things through jeez

its also 10 downing street :roll:
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He moved. And no, I don't think I'd get arrested, not with the 10,000 other people joining me in protest. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who thinks its a really stupid idea.

WarMonger said:
the problem is not the IDs themselves... im all for a national driver license... the problem is the ability of the government to abuse the power that this bill is granting them.
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Exactly. Its not that cards are in themselves a bad thing, it what they could be used for, there is too much room for corruption.
 
WarMonger said:
the problem is not the IDs themselves... im all for a national driver license... the problem is the ability of the government to abuse the power that this bill is granting them. this bill is already going against the tenth ammendment "Amendment X - The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
and the DOHS is already begining to encroach on out 2nd, 4th, and 9th ammendment rights.... so you tell me, whats next? a leash crammed up our ******* asses... thats what.

edit: sorry, politics dont usually get me this riled up
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The feds have been busy slowly eroding the Tenth Amendment for years now, using the damning rod of "Federal Highway Funds." That's why the drinking age is 21 everywhere instead of 18 in some states. I'm sure if I went hunting I could find more instances of the federal government threatening revocation of highway funds to force a state to go along with the national dogma.

I'm surprised the current administration hasn't tried it on Massachusetts over the whole silly gay marriage affair.
 
10th Amendment was always something of a boiler plate that didn't mean very much in reality. In fact the 10th became more important recently when Justice O'Conner started spouting off about federalism.

We're back to that trade off between "your liberty" vs "your safety" again- a consequence of 9-11 which has been used time and again as justification for expansion of the government's oversight into your personal lives.

But that's been happening for the past 25 years, mostly through conservative policies and conservative Supreme Court decisions.

Which is why that whole beef about "activist judges" is a lot of crap- over the past 25 years there has been a tremendous roleback of your personal civil and criminal protections.

The conservatives cry about this because it's a threat to their gun ownership- but it's what you voted for.
 
I fully support this new type of identification as a chip that is put inside the palm of one's hand at birth. You can just put your hand over a debit-like device to pay for stuff and all the info about you from your entire life can be stored on a central government database in a giant server facility in Cheyenne mountain.

Bit by bit, we live in an increasingly cyberpunk world.
 
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