This Question Reguarding Weapons...

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Chaindog7777

First time out of the vault
"Why do people still use revolvers today even though they can get a higher ROF from autoloaders?"
Erm...O.K. Time for a little marksmanship. The reason revolvers are better handguns than Automatics are because when you fire a revolver it is a LOT more accurate than a auto. Firing bullets off like a wild banshee is no way to win. By the time it takes you to pull the slider back on an auto a experienced shooter can already have popped of 5 of the 6 revolver bullets with EXTREME accuracy due to the fact a single action doesnt go off skew like an automatic does. It's like with the .50 desert eagle people see the power and love it. Ok sure...you miss with it one time by the time you have it straightened I could already have pumped 6 .38 or .357 rounds into you or in the event of an automatic 15 9mm rounds. Sure the rate of fire in an automatic is good. But if you are gonna make a game like that guy said on the homepage then you have to take into effect that revolver are much much better than automatics when it comes to accuracy! Now thats a very very good thing if they are gonna make it turn based. If it's real time then the revolver should be more efficient yet again because it takes the person a few moments to slide the slider or disengage the safety. Also revolvers are much lower maintenence if they aren't designer revolvers. I think fallout 3 SHOULD have gun smiths that make custom designer guns AND you should be able to clean your guns to make them more efficient and accurate. The point with them being lower maintenence than autos is the fact that the game setting is post nuclear war. Who knows how much abuse the autos have went through? By common ideas is that the autos would have problems with jamming and misfiring a lot. Anyways the bottom line is people use revolvers because sometimes trading off accuracy for speed is not a good thing. Also being experienced with a revolver will give you a fair rate of speed and this is the fallout world...you shoot the same rate with either gun unless they are changing that. And on a side note I think the 2 handed guns taking up BOTH spots is sort of silly considering a sling could allow you to have 2 items. Thats all i have for now. Thanks all! (Kyle Logan)
 
Thank you very much for the information. I do no know who asked the original question, but okay.

Now, the assumption that auto's, firing in quick succession, are insanely inaccurate compared to a single-action revolver isn't necessarily true.

Example:
One one hand, we've got the Colt Peacemaker, which is the first revolver made, compared to a Colt M1911, which is about the first semi-automatic adopted by the US Army. Both use .45 caliber bullets. Both feature a hammer-conjoined firing pin. The Peacemaker is made in about late 1800's and the M1911 is made in about the early 1900's. There's about 20+ years in difference between the two.

Using these two as benchmarks, I have to say that the M1911 is far superior. Accurcy-wise, you may be surpised. The Peacemaker has a longer barrel, and naturally you'd expect the bullet to be better stabilized. But the M1911 surpasses the Peacemaker because its got barrel bushings and more sophisticated contour rifling along the barrel. Another thing, the M1911 has front *and* back sights (Zounds!) which means you can "eye" the shots better while the Peacemaker only has the front sight.

Then there is ROF. Of course, being semi-automatic, the M1911 is the champion. You need only pull the slide back once to chamber the first shot, and the bullets fly once you simply pull the trigger. The single-action Peacemaker has to manually cock back the hammer each time you fire a shot. Plus, the M1911 has got seven rounds while the Peacemaker has six shots (though this doesn't matter in a heated gunfight, I suppose). And, the M1911 has a spring-clip; once I'm empty, I simply slip a fresh clip in. The Peacemaker, on the otherhand, I have to first dump the wasted cartridges and the manually feed in new rounds (the Peacemaker's chamber does not break down on a hinge so a speed-loader isn't handy).

So my Colt M1911 outguns (in both speed and accuracy) the Colt Peacemaker.

But other than that, you have it right.
 
Oh I totally agree with you when comparing the 1911 to the peacemaker. Considering the age difference and the advancements in the pistol world. Mainly the sort of revolvers *I* personally use are the Ruger P100 Or a Ruger Blackhawk(No speedloader compatibility.). Both very reliable guns which can be reloaded EXTREMELY quickly with a steady hand and a speedloader with exception to the Blackhawk. The main revolver I use now is a black Taurus .357 with .38 rounds. It has front and back sights as well but the back sights are adjustable with a hinge cylinder. Its rate of fire is great considering and it can be single or double action. I think single action is more accurate when compared to double action because with single action you can reposition quickly. Now I do remember the Colt 1911 had a problem (preliminarily I believe) where you had to reslide it each time. I could be mistaken but I don't believe so. It was an earlier model to the 1911 that was widely used by the military. That is unrelated but I was just wondering if you knew that. As for the peacemaker i've had the pleasure of shooting one before and it's not a bad gun. I'm not sure that it was the FIRST one made or not but it very well could be. I'm thinking there are several revolvers before it that weren't anywhere near as good.As for the peacemaker I shot it's not anywhere near as good as modern revolvers but still for its day it was wonderful considering it was used by the great Willian H. Antrim. Also I would like to say it's great meeting a person who respects guns such as myself. Nice talking to you and getting your insight on the matter. Thanks. (Kyle Logan)
 
Chaindog7777 said:
"Why do people still use revolvers today even though they can get a higher ROF from autoloaders?"
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That was a rethorical question.
the auother meant to say "Autoloaders have better ROF, but people still use revolvers because they are more accurate".
 
O.o No...he was literally wondering why. I'm quite sure of it. I could be wrong. Anyways latez thanks for the response. (Kyle Logan)
 
No... here, look at the original messege:

"Make the chance of critical failure based off of the reliability/complexity of the weapon. Why do people still use revolvers today even though they can get a higher ROF from autoloaders?"

What he means is give the reliability of the weapon more weight, to justify the fact that people still use revolvers today, for example.
 
first... i think whoever said that was talking about critical failurs (i.e. revlovers dont jam while autoloaders do however autoloaders have a bette rate of fire.) Your statement about revolvers being more accurate is not true. Autoloaders are just as accurate. The only difference i see is that with an autoloader (in real life, not fallout world) you have to have extra clips to reload while with a six shooter its easy to reload the rounds.
 
[PCE said:
el_Prez]The only difference i see is that with an autoloader (in real life, not fallout world) you have to have extra clips to reload while with a six shooter its easy to reload the rounds.
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You don't need extra clips to reload an "autoloader". Just because you empty a clip, you don't have to dump it. What's the hassle in refilling the clip on the spot? With the modern revolver, you break the chamber down and slip the bullets individually. With older revolvers, you open a door to the chamber and slip in bullets as you rotate the barrel. Either way, the semi-automatic pistol clip is easier to reload: you simply slip out the clip and "stack" the bullets down. Plus, you don't have to toss out the wasted shells as in a revolver.

Oh yeah, Chaindog, the M1911 does not require the slide to be pulled back for each round; the recoil from the previous shot automatically pulls back the slide for you. And I believe that the Peacemaker is the first revolver, since its made by Colt and he was the first to make the revolver-chamber design. It may not have been the Peacemaker but it was definitely a Colt.
 
When using an autoloader, i recommend never 'dumping' the clips like they do in the movies considering the actual clip costs 20 bucks or more. The point was though if you have extra clips for the autoloader, you can reload in 2 seconds as opposed to half a minute. But yes you could reload the autoloader clips on the spot however my eperience tells me that its a lot harder than reloading a six shooter. I own a Rugar 9mm that came out a year ago and when i reload the clip, after 6 or 7 rounds its pretty tough to jam those little suckers in there.
 
I don't think I was clear on what I said. When I said revolvers are more accurate...they are...but thats in target shooting and timed shots. With an auto you can be just as accurate but you have to be slow to realign the sights. They yes can be both just as accurate. But how many people slow down when holding an auto? They just keep pulling the trigger and the bullet blows the barrel upward forcing you to readjust. But if you keep firing off quickly it'll just come more off skew. If you compete in marksman tourneys you'll see the minor difference. But yeah I figured the first was a Colt and in reguards to the 1911 I was thinking of a different pistol that is only single action with a slider that is VERY similar in design to it. Oh and thanks for the clarification on what the guy meant! Thanks all! (Kyle Logan)
 
You are assuming that the hypothetical opponent is spray-and-praying at a considerable distance away from you, enough to have a _very_ little chance of hitting you before his clip is empty. If, on the other hand, he were standing a few feet away from you you'd be full of lead before you even cock your revolver.

el_Pres:
You don't have to dump clips if you have TWO guns, heh. Being ambidexterous rules, too bad I'm not it.
 
This might not be entirely on the subject, but did anyone else notice that the 10mm handgun in Fallout is a revolver? It's kind of a simple observation, but I always found it amusing.
 
The devil you say. I thought it was a semi-automatic pistol. Doesn't the item description even say its a semi-automatic pistol? Besides, that thing carried ten rounds and I've never seen a chamber with that many slots (the max is eight, I think).

And this might even be further off subject, but I always thought the 10MM pistol looks suspiciously similiar to the 10MM pistol in Deus Ex.
 
http://communities.prodigy.net/sportsrec/gz-webley-fosbery.html
^ Semi-automatic revolver

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http://www.dentrinity.com/NelsonChen/Collection/Revolver/Km-29/Km-29.htm
^ somewhat resembles 6520

The only problem is that apparently 6520 has a magazine:
A Colt 6520 10mm autoloading pistol. Each pull of the trigger will automatically reload the firearm until the magazine is empty. Single shot only, using the powerful 10mm round.
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Maybe the cylinder IS the magazine? Or the guy who drew 6520 needs to do his homework, which is far more likely.
 
Old cap n' ball revolvers had removable chambers since reloading was almost certain death in a Western gunfight.

I think the drawing is original of the 10MM handgun, as with all weapons in Fallout One (not Fallout Two), since they fringe on real-life weapons but shirk away just a miniscule from actual real-life desgin. The Assault Rifle tries to be a blocky Kalashnivok, the Submachine Gun tries to be a H&K MP5K hybrid of some sort, etc.
 
The .223 pistol is a revolver as well, unless I'm mistaken. It's easy to spot the chamber and there seems nowhere to insert a magazine. It's odd though because the .223 ammo comes in magazine form. Another bout of miscommunication between the artists and whoever was in charge of writing the descriptions, maybe?
 
Yeah, I was just thinking about that too, Lunchmeat. You can see the cylindrical chamber poking out of the frame of an otherwise plain semi-automatic. Another funny thing is that the .223 is supposed to have been scrapped from a hunting rifle.

*Shrug* I guess it's the artists fault. Get the pitch forks and torches ready.
 
Well yar, the description says it's modified from a rifle, but actually it's the gun from Blade Runner. An easter egg.

Whether the gun from Blade Runner is a revolver or a semi-auto I don't know. I do know that it packs quite a punch and is loud. So they got that right, at least. :D
 
Lunchmeat said:
Well yar, the description says it's modified from a rifle, but actually it's the gun from Blade Runner. An easter egg.

Whether the gun from Blade Runner is a revolver or a semi-auto I don't know. I do know that it packs quite a punch and is loud. So they got that right, at least. :D
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Deckard's pistol was a semi-auto, I'm fairly certain. I don't think we ever saw him reload it to know for sure.
 
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