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Videogaming247. Preview.<blockquote>Fallout 3’s premise is thus: mankind blew itself up, and some humans retreated to Vaults. You are born in Vault 101, a sealed bunker which no one enters or leaves. The game begins with your birth, a blurred image of your father hovering over you as you open your eyes for the first time. Your parents’ joy is short lived, however, as mother Catherine dies after your arrival, leaving father James to bring you up.

Your choices begin immediately: you decide if you’re a boy or a girl, then select facial features based on a Vault impression of how you’ll look when you’re an adult. Neatly, the game then procedurally generates your father’s face based on your choices, meaning James looks like Dad when the newborn fog clears.</blockquote>He goes on to mention the game will be playable at E3, and:<blockquote>Fallout 3’s been stamped “game of the year” with good reason. The moniker’s subjective, obviously, but there’s no doubt that Bethesda’s RPG is up there with the likes of GTA IV and Gears of War 2 as one of the most anticipated of 2008. Now we’ve had a chance to see why, there really isn’t much more we’re looking forward to playing.</blockquote>Yeah, why wait for it to be, y'know...released. You saw, what, a full hour of the game? Well then. Game of the year!

I hope this was the last of vg247's fragmentary Fallout 3 coverage.

Link: Fallout 3 dazzles at London showing on VG247.
 
And when it's released they'll say : 'We were right, this game is soooooooooooooo good my eyes are bleeding'. And when Beth releases word of it's next game, that's the time they'll start pointing out the flaws in Fallout 3. Nothing ever chances.
 
The game is playable at E3? That means gameplay videos, before you're expected to buy it.

That's the real story here.
 
Bodybag said:
The game is playable at E3? That means gameplay videos, before you're expected to buy it.
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What? No it doesn't. A game being playable and gameplay videos are two separate things.

For Oblivion, Bethesda released heavily manipulated and scripted gameplay videos. Why would Fallout 3 be any different?
 
Wait - are you saying there won't be gameplay videos at all, or that they'll just be heavily edited? Because I disagree pretty strongly with the first assumption and I'm relly not that worked up about the second one.

If it's playable at E3 someone (maybe even you guys in your ninja outfits) will get some shakycam footge of it.
 
Bodybag said:
Wait - are you saying there won't be gameplay videos at all, or that they'll just be heavily edited? Because I disagree pretty strongly with the first assumption and I'm relly not that worked up about the second one.

If it's playable at E3 someone (maybe even you guys in your ninja outfits) will get some shakycam footge of it.
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Why? Playable doesn't inherently mean the circumstances are different than in the showings. Note how no one said who gets to play it.

Bethesda has now shown video footage multiple times, dozens of times, yet how much shakycam footage is there?

I'm certainly not making any shake cam footage. Rules are rules.

As for gameplay videos: I'm assuming and hoping they'll be there, and when they're there I'll be pretty damned sure they'll be heavily edited, just like these screenshots are. Unless you believe Bethesda's PR methods magically changed since Oblivion?
 
lol yeah...just take a look at the E3 videos of Oblivion, especially the one with the dog, then go and play the game, then try to reach a conclusion. Scripted much ? Blatant lies ? Yeah, much definitely.
 
As far as I know, "playable at E3" usually means playable on the floor - aka not for invitees only, behind closed doors. If that is the case, we will at least see some off-screen videos.
 
Bagge said:
As far as I know, "playable at E3" usually means playable on the floor - aka not for invitees only, behind closed doors. If that is the case, we will at least see some off-screen videos.
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That's what I'm saying. Of course, then you're at the mercy of people who just suck at games playing the whole time. But it's better than nothing.
 
Mother Catherine and Father James? Sounds like you grow up in a Monastery not a vault.

I do find it weird on how so many places keep writing a 'preview' on fallout 3, a preview means nothing you haven't actually played the game. Though I don't expect the reviews to be any better.
 
Wild_qwerty said:
I do find it weird on how so many places keep writing a 'preview' on fallout 3, a preview means nothing you haven't actually played the game. Though I don't expect the reviews to be any better.
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Preview and hands-on previews are separate concepts. The first is about impressions, the second is about actually experiencing the game. In theory, the first should be careful, probing and making educated guesses, clearly distinguishing fact from fiction. The second should be focused more on facts, but also on your subjective experience.

Obviously neither really come true.

But there is a place for both, in theory.

PS: was Oblivion ever playable on the floor of an open gaming event? I don't remember.
 
Brother None said:
Uhm, on the floor?

E3 is an invite-only event.
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The floor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MY1anKmcRZ0

I know E3 went through some changes last year, but I'm sure there's still a show floor. A place where all the attendants check out the booths of the various game developers/publishers attending and get to try out their games.

Last year Fallout 3 was showcased at E3, this year it is - if the article is correct - playable, which probably means Bethesda will have like a dozen Xbox 360's on the show floor, with a playable build of the game.
 
Bagge said:
Last year Fallout 3 was showcased at E3, this year it is - if the article is correct - playable, which probably means Bethesda will have like a dozen Xbox 360's on the show floor, with a playable build of the game.
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It was showcased - note - behind closed doors.

You are simply jumping to conclusions by assuming playable means playable on the floor. Unless you can point me to a history of Bethesda doing so (with Oblivion), I see no reason to assume they'll do it here.
 
I'm not basing my assumptions on Bethesdas gameshow habits (which I know very little about), I am basing it around the common terminology used at these game shows:
showcased = behind closed doors and not played by attendees,
playable = at show floor, playable by anyone attending the show.
 
Did you read the article?
Hines answers all our questions about platform differences, DLC, Dogmeat, system spec for PC, random encounters and FPS targets before telling us that the next time we see Fallout 3, it’ll be playable. Yep, the E3 build will be hands-on.

Now, does that sound, to you, as if we'll see hands-on previews of Fallout 3, or as if Fallout 3 will be playable by anyone attending the show?

The answer is so...so delightfully easy.
 
[...] the next time we see Fallout 3, it’ll be playable. Yep, the E3 build will be hands-on.

I'm not a native engilsh speaker, but I read that sentence as if Hines is saying that the next time they'll show the game to the press, they will get to play it.
 
Brother None said:
Did you read the article?
Hines answers all our questions about platform differences, DLC, Dogmeat, system spec for PC, random encounters and FPS targets before telling us that the next time we see Fallout 3, it’ll be playable. Yep, the E3 build will be hands-on.

Now, does that sound, to you, as if we'll see hands-on previews of Fallout 3, or as if Fallout 3 will be playable by anyone attending the show?

The answer is so...so delightfully easy.
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It certainly does sound like at least members of the press will have a chance. Maybe you can chalk that up to more shoddy journalism, but the way he reiterates that point -- "Yep, the E3 build will be hands-on" -- suggests that it's playable in a way that's not been previously availiable. Haven't all the previews so far been based on a "playable" version, only with the lone person allowed to play being a Bethesda staffer?

Are you guys going to have a presence at E3 in case that indeed turns out to be the situation?
 
I honestly hope that Bethesda hasn't tarred and feathered the prospect of communicating with the Fallout community. Maybe they weren't receptive just because they had more important issues to work with "Though community relations should be on the top of the list". Maybe we can even have BN and others attend E3 and have hands-on contact with Fallout 3, and the exposure will reveal things about the game that are positive and honest, making the whole fiasco of the change in direction from the original franchise just the fog caused by shoddy journalism.


And maybe I'm George Washington.
 
Hines answers all our questions about platform differences, DLC, Dogmeat, system spec for PC, random encounters and FPS targets before telling us that the next time we see Fallout 3, it’ll be playable. Yep, the E3 build will be hands-on.
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Make sure you distinguish the difference between who the "we" is in this sentence, and who we are.

There's a good chance this doesn't mean it will be available to "us" the potential customers for play. All I see is this:

"next time the carefully selected gaming "journalists" see Fallout 3, they'll get to play a heavily scripted version of it, instead of just watching pete hines or todd howard play a heavily scripted version of it."

then they'll release another flurry of stupid previews based on a game that still isn't finished yet, and which is probably not indicative of the finished product, which is what happened with oblivion.
 
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