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Stoatblood

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While the last troops finally left Iraq on Dec 18th, I myself was pretty happy. Sure we're still in Afganistan, but isn't this still a plus? The real question is, do you think we should have pulled out earlier, or mabye not have even gone at all?
 
Its a hard question to answer ... while the presence of USA military in Iraq is justified to offer (as peacefully as possible) a transition to fairer national leadership their prolonged occupation would surely increase the tension among some of the Iraq more aggressive factions ... but I guess you lads left at the right time, not too soon or too late.

I am not sure, but i guess USA military expeditions on Iraq and the overthrown of its dictator might have encouraged all other recent uprisings against the dictators in Egypt and Libya. For that inspiration you guys did a loot of good stuff without the need to shoot anyone ... to me that's enough credit to deserve some good home vacations.
 
Too many civilians died. Too many friends came home fucked up in the head from that.
 
This whole operation was pointless, anyhow. They had absolutely nothing to do in Iraq. They tried to scare Iran, and in the end they just flared up Muslim fanatism even more and filled the ranks of who knows how many terrorist factions out there. And the excuses they brought up made me laugh. Bring democracy? My ass, you don't do that via a military occupation. Get the oil? Yeah it's not like Saddam sold it to the US already. Oh wait he did. In the end, hundreds of thousands of dead civilians, Arab combattants and thousands of US soldiers casualties later, the country is in an utter mess and a breeding ground for fanatical psychos. Good job.

I am not sure, but i guess USA military expeditions on Iraq and the overthrown of its dictator might have encouraged all other recent uprisings against the dictators in Egypt and Libya. For that inspiration you guys did a loot of good stuff without the need to shoot anyone ... to me that's enough credit to deserve some good home vacations.
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I strongly doubt it. An internal revolution and an invasion deposing a dictator are not the same thing. If it was the case, the Arab Spring would have happenned in 2004 or 05, not 2011. While these revolts had many inspirations, I doubt the US military, of all things, was one of them.
 
Ilosar said:
This whole operation was pointless, anyhow. They had absolutely nothing to do in Iraq. They tried to scare Iran, and in the end they just flared up Muslim fanatism even more and filled the ranks of who knows how many terrorist factions out there. And the excuses they brought up made me laugh. Bring democracy? My ass, you don't do that via a military occupation. Get the oil? Yeah it's not like Saddam sold it to the US already. Oh wait he did. In the end, hundreds of thousands of dead civilians, Arab combattants and thousands of US soldiers casualties later, the country is in an utter mess and a breeding ground for fanatical psychos. Good job.

I am not sure, but i guess USA military expeditions on Iraq and the overthrown of its dictator might have encouraged all other recent uprisings against the dictators in Egypt and Libya. For that inspiration you guys did a loot of good stuff without the need to shoot anyone ... to me that's enough credit to deserve some good home vacations.
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I strongly doubt it. An internal revolution and an invasion deposing a dictator are not the same thing. If it was the case, the Arab Spring would have happenned in 2004 or 05, not 2011. While these revolts had many inspirations, I doubt the US military, of all things, was one of them.
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I too consider the invasion unnecessary ... actually i consider most of the USA international interventionism flawed usually they get the opposite results they were expecting (least the results announced by the impress). But in sight of what already, irrevocably, happened ... the invasion, the death of saddan, the flared rage ... i guess that Obama was cautious by removing the troops just now, but that's just my opinion.
 
I don't understand why people keep talking like this is something that Obama decided to DO. He could have decided to NOT pull out which would violate a treaty signed in good faith. He just did what Bush had agreed to do, that's all.

And good riddance is all I will say. Should not have happened in the first place.
 
The day they leave and the Iraqi Government has its first crisis. I wouldn't be surprised if the country doesn't collapse into a civil war within 10 years. Rolling Eyes
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It's inevitable. The country was invaded and occupied by a foreign military and built itself 0 credible political institutions. They didn't replace the Baath party, they just sent them away and called it a day. All well and good, but a country this size doesn't police itself.

Civil war you say? mark my words, Iraq risks becoming the Somalia of the Middle-East is someone doesn't step up to the plate fast. And if someone does step up, it will likely be some fashion of islamists.

Goddamnit. This whole business is a disaster of incredible proportions. They basically doomed a country of 31 million people, all for nothing. Untold thousands of lives, not to mention who knows how many billions of dollars, down the drain for shit, giggles and imaginary WMDs. American idiocy and jingoism at it's finest.
 
Now maybe US citizens will start to regard Islam better.


I hope anyway. Religious prejuduce is so stupid
 
It isn't "American idiocy" it is the idiocy of a small group of people. That's all it has been. Who makes the decisions? The American people? Fuck no. I live in a state, one of many, where police have violently broken up peaceful demonstrations in the street. Major news media talking about it? Not really.
 
Ilosar said:
It's inevitable. The country was invaded and occupied by a foreign military and built itself 0 credible political institutions. They didn't replace the Baath party, they just sent them away and called it a day. All well and good, but a country this size doesn't police itself.

Civil war you say? mark my words, Iraq risks becoming the Somalia of the Middle-East is someone doesn't step up to the plate fast. And if someone does step up, it will likely be some fashion of islamists.

Goddamnit. This whole business is a disaster of incredible proportions. They basically doomed a country of 31 million people, all for nothing. Untold thousands of lives, not to mention who knows how many billions of dollars, down the drain for shit, giggles and imaginary WMDs. American idiocy and jingoism at it's finest.
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there were many reasons we went into iraq.

if you think oil or WMDs were anywhere near the top 5, you are not as informed as you think.
 
there were many reasons we went into iraq.

if you think oil or WMDs were anywhere near the top 5, you are not as informed as you think.
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Re-read my posts. I present Bringing Democracy, oil and WMD as bogus excuses.

It isn't "American idiocy" it is the idiocy of a small group of people. That's all it has been.
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Don't make me pull the poll numbers of people who supported the war in Iraq in the US. Far more than the majority, I can assure you. It was a way to get back at them evil arabs, because as we all know the Baath party is the same damn thing as Al-Qaeda, right?
 
We had to help them find FREEDOM and we had to help them find DEMOCRACY because they sure as hell weren't doing a very good job finding it on their own.

And when the US of America helps you find those things you don't act like a dick and cry about national sovereignty, you say "Yes Sir, Thank You Sir".
 
shihonage said:
Sabirah said:
Now maybe US citizens will start to regard Islam better.
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The ball is in the court of its practitioners.
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Because all us Muslims are evil suicide attackers.


I killed 3 Christians today alone so I see your point :evil:
 
Ilosar said:
It isn't "American idiocy" it is the idiocy of a small group of people. That's all it has been.
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Don't make me pull the poll numbers of people who supported the war in Iraq in the US. Far more than the majority, I can assure you. It was a way to get back at them evil arabs, because as we all know the Baath party is the same damn thing as Al-Qaeda, right?
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You see, you are under the misapprehension here that I said, "the polled public opinion". I am specifically talking about the people that give the orders, that effectively make the decisions. Are you suggesting that the ignorant opinion of people that almost never read a paper is the same thing? Don't make me laugh.
 
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